Cunningham Passes On
 

Briggs Swift Cunningham Jr. the captain of the winning yacht in the 1958
America's Cup has passed on to the pearly gates. In 1958 he invented the
"cunningham"......
Amazing but true facts of sailing.

CM

Cunningham Passes On
 

Let's see if you are a real sailor and can answer this
question without looking up the answer.

Why was the Cunningham invented?




"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ...
Briggs Swift Cunningham Jr. the captain of the winning yacht in the 1958
America's Cup has passed on to the pearly gates. In 1958 he invented the
"cunningham"......
Amazing but true facts of sailing.

CM

Cunningham Passes On
 

to give Arthur Fonzerelli a place to park his motorcycle.
Scout

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Let's see if you are a real sailor and can answer this
question without looking up the answer.

Why was the Cunningham invented?

Cunningham Passes On
 

You are on the right track. For the answer go to uk.rec.sailing
and see my reply to the 'Reason why Columbia beat Sceptre'
thread.

Oz is clearly clueless.


"Peter S/Y Anicula" wrote in message ...
I'll have a guess at this one:
Because it allows you to have a bigger mainsail for the same
measured sailarea than if you used the halyard to the same
purpose.

Another advantage is that it is takes less power to tighten
the cunningham than it does to tighten the halyard. This
makes it usable on cruisers as well.

There are other factors but I don't think that matters much.
To mention one thing, it also stresses the leach if you use
the halyard, but that can be compensated by the tension of
the boom vang or by adjusting the traveller.

--
Peter S/Y Anicula



"Simple Simon" skrev i en meddelelse
...
Let's see if you are a real sailor and can answer this
question without looking up the answer.

Why was the Cunningham invented?




"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
Briggs Swift Cunningham Jr. the captain of the winning
yacht in the 1958
America's Cup has passed on to the pearly gates. In 1958
he invented the
"cunningham"......
Amazing but true facts of sailing.

CM

Cunningham Passes On
 

Oz1 wrote:

Because it allows you to have a bigger mainsail for the
same
measured sailarea than if you used the halyard to the
same
purpose.
Does not Compute!

If you want to utilise the maximal luff-length as marked
between the black marks at the mast when the wind is light,
and the luff-tension is low you can't pull the halyard
further when the wind increases witch leaves you with a
saggy sail with the depth too far aft.
Or to say the same in other words:
If the sail is at the max luff-length, between the black
marks, when the wind is strong and the halyard is tight then
you will have to ease a bit on the halyard when the wind
decreases witch gives you a reduced sailarea.

If your boat has a boom-downhaul that could be used instead
of the halyard, but the argument would be exactly the same.

So the boat that uses the halyard or the boom downhaul to
trim the luff tension would have a reduced area in light
conditions compared to a boat that uses a cunningham.

Another advantage is that it is takes less power to
tighten
the cunningham than it does to tighten the halyard. This
makes it usable on cruisers as well.
Halyard doesn't have 8, 16,32:1 purchase.

Well sometimes they do. I have sailed on several boats where
the luff tension (of the foresail) were trimmed by a
"muscle-box" attached to the halyard I think with a 32:1
purchase. You could also easily use a purchase to the boom
downhaul. Many boats had these before the "cunningham" were
standard practise.
(In relation to power needed to increase luff-tension, using
the boom-downhaul would have almost the same effect as the
cunningham)

Besides that - the purchase is not the issue he the
power required to increase the luff-tension (maintaining the
pressure on the mainsail) when the boat is sailing is.

There are other factors but I don't think that matters
much.
To mention one thing, it also stresses the leach if you
use
the halyard, but that can be compensated by the tension
of
the boom vang or by adjusting the traveller.

Hmmm please explain (Red headed racist)

Sorry - now it is I who have to ask for an explanation.

--
Peter S/Y Anicula

Cunningham Passes On
 

To mention one thing, it also stresses the leach if you use the halyard,

???????? Don't see how that's possible.



S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

Cunningham Passes On
 

I looked and found this:

Cunningham, sneaky ******* that he was, used his
invention to stretch and flatten the sail and still stay
between the lines. The man was a cheater. I don't
admire him one bit. A racer and a cheater is no
real sailor.

I do understand your point, but as racer, the game is to
beat the others according to the rule, so Cunningham (I
don't know much about him) were just doing his job, whether
or not you admire thatt - I guess, is a matter of
preference. Beating the rule is the name of the game, so I
don't think you haveb much of a case.

As a sailor: Well, Cunningham was a colleague, and an
inventive one, and that deserves some respect.

--
Peter S/Y Anicula



"Simple Simon" skrev i en meddelelse
...
You are on the right track. For the answer go to
uk.rec.sailing
and see my reply to the 'Reason why Columbia beat Sceptre'
thread.

Oz is clearly clueless.


"Peter S/Y Anicula" wrote in
message
...
I'll have a guess at this one:
Because it allows you to have a bigger mainsail for the
same
measured sailarea than if you used the halyard to the
same
purpose.

Another advantage is that it is takes less power to
tighten
the cunningham than it does to tighten the halyard. This
makes it usable on cruisers as well.

There are other factors but I don't think that matters
much.
To mention one thing, it also stresses the leach if you
use
the halyard, but that can be compensated by the tension
of
the boom vang or by adjusting the traveller.

--
Peter S/Y Anicula



"Simple Simon" skrev i en
meddelelse
...
Let's see if you are a real sailor and can answer this
question without looking up the answer.

Why was the Cunningham invented?




"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
Briggs Swift Cunningham Jr. the captain of the
winning
yacht in the 1958
America's Cup has passed on to the pearly gates. In
1958
he invented the
"cunningham"......
Amazing but true facts of sailing.

CM

Cunningham Passes On
 

Sorry Capt,

I can't believe that no one knows about a cunningham.

It increases the wind range of the sail without a sail change! By
pulling on the cunningham the baggyness of the main is reduced creating
a more windward sail with out a sail change.

On a cruiser, as I have done, it increases the useful life of the main
by years,

I've sailed with the cunningham set for the last three years. That is
why I've ordered a new Main.

A cunninham gives a flatter sail without changing the outhaul or the
halyard

OT

Cunningham Passes On
 

By the way, Briggs Cunningham was more than a fair Auto Racer

Cunningham Passes On
 

Pure geometry. Use your logic sense. If it still doesent
work I will be glad to help out.

Yes, I could use some help. If the leech of a sail (triangle) is say 10%
longer than the luff and you tighten the luff along the luff how does the leech
ever get stressed. By the time that happened the luff would explode.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

Cunningham Passes On
 

Unless you leave your mainsheet two-blocked as you crank on your halyard.
--
----
Steve
S/V Pony Express

"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
...
Pure geometry. Use your logic sense. If it still doesent
work I will be glad to help out.

Yes, I could use some help. If the leech of a sail (triangle) is say 10%
longer than the luff and you tighten the luff along the luff how does the
leech
ever get stressed. By the time that happened the luff would explode.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

Cunningham Passes On
 

Oh ye of limited imagination. Picture a nice full mainsail that fits
into the prescribed triangle. Now picture a sliding gooseneck on
the boom. Now, for going upwind haul down hard on the down
haul so the boom is about a foot lower than the prescribed
triangle allows. Voila! You have a bigger sail than allowed.


"Oz1" wrote in message ...
On Sat, 5 Jul 2003 12:26:59 -0400, "Simple Simon"
wrote:

You are on the right track. For the answer go to uk.rec.sailing
and see my reply to the 'Reason why Columbia beat Sceptre'
thread.

Hello,
How is it possible "to have a bigger mainsail for the same measured
sailarea " ?

Luff is measured, leech is measured, foot is measured and then
depending on the system used, usually a number of girth measurements.
This system measures the area of the sail.
Pulling on a cunningham doesn't change that!

Oh and how by pulling on the halyard do you "stress the leech"?
Unless of course you don't have a clue.

Oz is clearly clueless.

Hmmmm ya think?


"Peter S/Y Anicula" wrote in message ...
I'll have a guess at this one:
Because it allows you to have a bigger mainsail for the same
measured sailarea than if you used the halyard to the same
purpose.

Another advantage is that it is takes less power to tighten
the cunningham than it does to tighten the halyard. This
makes it usable on cruisers as well.

There are other factors but I don't think that matters much.
To mention one thing, it also stresses the leach if you use
the halyard, but that can be compensated by the tension of
the boom vang or by adjusting the traveller.

--
Peter S/Y Anicula



"Simple Simon" skrev i en meddelelse
...
Let's see if you are a real sailor and can answer this
question without looking up the answer.

Why was the Cunningham invented?




"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
Briggs Swift Cunningham Jr. the captain of the winning
yacht in the 1958
America's Cup has passed on to the pearly gates. In 1958
he invented the
"cunningham"......
Amazing but true facts of sailing.

CM










Oz1...of the 3 twins.
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Cunningham Passes On
 

Simpleton,

I just returned from UK Rec AND again I find you "Full of S--t"

Your reasoning about the Cunningham making the sail Bigger flies in the
face of logic. When you set the Cunningham the sail is reduced in size.
Period. Reduced in size.

If you ever used a Cunningham G You would know this. When you apply
the Cunningham a fold forms behind the mast in the lower half of the
sail. A seconded folds above the boom in the forward portion. This
happens without changing halyard tension, downhaul or outhaul. This
excess comes from the draft of the sail. The DRAFT IS REDUCED. Reduced.
Shortened, made to be less.

Ths is not cheating. It is an adjustment. the same as a backstay
adjuster, just as a bending mast, jack stays, flattenning reefs,
barbarhauls, etc.

The Cunningham makes the sail smaller, by making it flatter. It changes
the shape of the sail. That's what it was designed to do. It wasn't
designed to make the sail larger!!!

By the way, If you would use a Cunningham on that old, blown out main
of yours "Banana Boat" would sail a helluva lot better.

AND; "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!"

Cunningham Passes On
 

Dinghy term. Implies the mainsheet is in as far as it will go. The block
on the boom touching the block on the traveler - hence 'two-blocked'.
--
----
Steve
S/V Pony Express

"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
...
Unless you leave your mainsheet two-blocked

What the hell is "two-blocked"?


S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

Cunningham Passes On
 

On Mon, 07 Jul 2003 10:59:25 +1000, Oz1
wrote this crap:

On Sat, 5 Jul 2003 12:26:59 -0400, "Simple Simon"
wrote:

You are on the right track. For the answer go to uk.rec.sailing
and see my reply to the 'Reason why Columbia beat Sceptre'
thread.

Hello,
How is it possible "to have a bigger mainsail for the same measured
sailarea " ?

Ever heard of "roach"?




Ave Imperator Bush!
Bush Was Right! Four More Beers!

Cunningham Passes On
 

What an ignorant putz you are becoming in your dotage,
old boy! Hauling down on the Cunningham cringle does
not reduce sail area; it merely flattens the belly of the sail
somewhat and draws it forward toward the luff. Any extra
material forms a bit of a fold below the cringle.

The use of a Cunningham serves only to cheat the rule that
defines the allowed size of a sail. A sail can be made full and
then stretched downward with a Cunningham to make it more
efficient while beating. Without a Cunningham to flatten the
sail would require the boom to be pulled down on a sliding
gooseneck or the head of the sail to be pulled upwards via
the halyard. Either method results in a sail the no longer fits
into the prescribed triangle which is marked by prominent
black lines. It follows that by cheating with a Cunningham
which, btw, is less efficient than a sliding gooseneck where
the entire boom is drawn down is a ******-rig where a sail
can be flattened and stretched beyond allowed dimensions.

Only in racing is this nonsense and cheating encouraged and
allowed. We cruisers have no need for such subterfuge.


"Thomas Stewart" wrote in message ...
Simpleton,

I just returned from UK Rec AND again I find you "Full of S--t"

Your reasoning about the Cunningham making the sail Bigger flies in the
face of logic. When you set the Cunningham the sail is reduced in size.
Period. Reduced in size.

If you ever used a Cunningham G You would know this. When you apply
the Cunningham a fold forms behind the mast in the lower half of the
sail. A seconded folds above the boom in the forward portion. This
happens without changing halyard tension, downhaul or outhaul. This
excess comes from the draft of the sail. The DRAFT IS REDUCED. Reduced.
Shortened, made to be less.

Ths is not cheating. It is an adjustment. the same as a backstay
adjuster, just as a bending mast, jack stays, flattenning reefs,
barbarhauls, etc.

The Cunningham makes the sail smaller, by making it flatter. It changes
the shape of the sail. That's what it was designed to do. It wasn't
designed to make the sail larger!!!

By the way, If you would use a Cunningham on that old, blown out main
of yours "Banana Boat" would sail a helluva lot better.

AND; "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!"

Cunningham Passes On
 

Show me where I said a Cunningham in use increases
sail area. I believe I said using a Cunningham allows
a full sail that fits into the triangle to be flattened for
efficiency to weather without its exceeding the dimensions
of the triangle.

I further stated that the Cunningham is a cheat because it
serves a similar purpose as does a sliding gooseneck that
flattens the sail more efficiently than does a Cunningham but
is not allowed by the rules if it results in the boom being
drown down below the lower black line on the mast.

Cunningham cringles and Cunningham tackle allow a mainsail
to be purpose-built fuller than normal to fit the lines and then
allows it to be stretched with just a little inefficiency below
the cringle to a flattened state-a state that if flattened by a
sliding gooseneck the result of which is a violation of the
rules. As long as there is not a flap of sailcloth that hangs
below the black line the rule is not broken if fact although
it is without a doubt being broken in spirit.

I hope this helps.


"Oz1" wrote in message ...

Prescribed triangle?
Yep, that means that if you do as you say, you make a larger than
prescribed/allowed triangle and hence become in breach.
Cappy the black bands are there for a reason!

Now, following your formula,
the wind strengthens to the stage that you require ever increasing
cunningham to maintain the shape (the purpose of the device).
All the while you are increasing sail area? See anything wrong here?


On Sun, 6 Jul 2003 21:59:03 -0400, "Simple Simon"
wrote:



Oh ye of limited imagination. Picture a nice full mainsail that fits
into the prescribed triangle. Now picture a sliding gooseneck on
the boom. Now, for going upwind haul down hard on the down
haul so the boom is about a foot lower than the prescribed
triangle allows. Voila! You have a bigger sail than allowed.


"Oz1" wrote in message ...
On Sat, 5 Jul 2003 12:26:59 -0400, "Simple Simon"
wrote:

You are on the right track. For the answer go to uk.rec.sailing
and see my reply to the 'Reason why Columbia beat Sceptre'
thread.

Hello,
How is it possible "to have a bigger mainsail for the same measured
sailarea " ?

Luff is measured, leech is measured, foot is measured and then
depending on the system used, usually a number of girth measurements.
This system measures the area of the sail.
Pulling on a cunningham doesn't change that!

Oh and how by pulling on the halyard do you "stress the leech"?
Unless of course you don't have a clue.

Oz is clearly clueless.

Hmmmm ya think?


"Peter S/Y Anicula" wrote in message ...
I'll have a guess at this one:
Because it allows you to have a bigger mainsail for the same
measured sailarea than if you used the halyard to the same
purpose.

Another advantage is that it is takes less power to tighten
the cunningham than it does to tighten the halyard. This
makes it usable on cruisers as well.

There are other factors but I don't think that matters much.
To mention one thing, it also stresses the leach if you use
the halyard, but that can be compensated by the tension of
the boom vang or by adjusting the traveller.

--
Peter S/Y Anicula



"Simple Simon" skrev i en meddelelse
...
Let's see if you are a real sailor and can answer this
question without looking up the answer.

Why was the Cunningham invented?




"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
Briggs Swift Cunningham Jr. the captain of the winning
yacht in the 1958
America's Cup has passed on to the pearly gates. In 1958
he invented the
"cunningham"......
Amazing but true facts of sailing.

CM










Oz1...of the 3 twins.
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.




Oz1...of the 3 twins.
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Cunningham Passes On
 

Ever heard of "roach"?

Scotty's pet name for his wife? I thought it was Gigantis.

Bwahahahahahaha!


RB

Cunningham Passes On
 

Two Blocked mean tackle drawn up as tight as it will go before breaking.
The term comes from motorized hoisting Equip. It is a very dangerous
condition for big Equip.

For "Dinghy" it means no adjustment left.

OT

Cunningham Passes On
 

Actually, "two blocks" goes back at least to the 1500's. It is "...the condition when two blocks of a purchase have come together by
hauling on the fall."

"Sailors Log," Bradley, 1583.

"Thomas Stewart" wrote in message ...
Two Blocked mean tackle drawn up as tight as it will go before breaking.
The term comes from motorized hoisting Equip. It is a very dangerous
condition for big Equip.

For "Dinghy" it means no adjustment left.

OT

Cunningham Passes On
 

Roach: that which one holds by means of a roach clip?


"Horvath" wrote in message ...
On Mon, 07 Jul 2003 10:59:25 +1000, Oz1
wrote this crap:

On Sat, 5 Jul 2003 12:26:59 -0400, "Simple Simon"
wrote:

You are on the right track. For the answer go to uk.rec.sailing
and see my reply to the 'Reason why Columbia beat Sceptre'
thread.

Hello,
How is it possible "to have a bigger mainsail for the same measured
sailarea " ?

Ever heard of "roach"?




Ave Imperator Bush!
Bush Was Right! Four More Beers!

Cunningham Passes On
 

Oh ye of WILD IMAGINATION!

Please explain to this old dotard sailor, how a smaller sail is
cheating?

Explain to Ole Thom, How stretching the Luff of a sail by a foot is a
better adjustment than simply gather in the Draft without over stressing
the sail lines?

Explain to me, in my Dotage, how you can stretch a Luff without over
tensioning the Head of the sail? If you stretch the Luff a foot, you
will prodably invert the upper batten. You for sure, are going to lose
that parallel relationship of the upper batten and the boom. This
doesn't happen with a Cunningham adjustment.

By the way, how do you Cruising Wonders, stretch the Luff of the new,
supperior sail cloths that have very,very low stretch. ( In my Dotage, I
still remember Canvass sails and Hemp lines but those days are long
gone.) Even Polyster cloth with filler are destroyed by over tension.

Come up to date Simpeton! Get with the new programs in sailing as you
approch your Dotage. Don't stop learning, I haven't

G "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!"

Ole Thom
P/S The new Gelcoat is going on the Boats bottom this week. We have made
a few minor adjustment to the profile and an awful lot of improvements
to the fairing. I'm expecting good results.

I'll be glad to get back to sailing and off this 'net

Cunningham Passes On
 

"Thomas Stewart" wrote in message ...
Oh ye of WILD IMAGINATION!

Please explain to this old dotard sailor, how a smaller sail is
cheating?

It is not a smaller sail. It is a larger sail hung in the prescribed triangle
so it has a full shape or big belly as the Brits might say. The sail only
fits in the triangle because it fits there loose. In order to flatten the
sail so it is efficient to windward it must be made larger than the
triangle allows. Normally this would be accomplished by uphauling
or downhauling provided there is fitted a sliding gooseneck on the boom.

Since this isn't allowed under the rules, the too large mainsail is pulled
flat at the luff by using a Cunningham cringle and tackle. This allows
the sail to be flattened but still remain in the triangle delineated by the
black marks. This is a cheat, plain and simple and anyone who does
not understand is certainly a dottering old fart.


Explain to Ole Thom, How stretching the Luff of a sail by a foot is a
better adjustment than simply gather in the Draft without over stressing
the sail lines?

It is a worse solution than drawing the entire boom down below the
black line. That is my point. But drawing the boom down is illegal
according to the rules.

Explain to me, in my Dotage, how you can stretch a Luff without over
tensioning the Head of the sail? If you stretch the Luff a foot, you
will prodably invert the upper batten. You for sure, are going to lose
that parallel relationship of the upper batten and the boom. This
doesn't happen with a Cunningham adjustment.

The dacron can be and is stretched all the time when trimming sails.
My sail happens to have a bolt rope which is also made of polyester
so it stretches right along with the luff of the sail.

I hope you are becomming educated in your dotage.

Cunningham Passes On
 

"Simple Simon" wrote in message news:KpSdnWW-9-

It is a worse solution than drawing the entire boom down below the
black line. That is my point. But drawing the boom down is illegal
according to the rules.

If the boat is fitted with a sliding gooseneck as standard, where would the
lower black line be situated? At the top of the slide? At the bottom? Or, if
somewhere between, exactly where?


--
Wally
I demand rigidly-defined areas of uncertainty!
www.art-gallery.myby.co.uk

Cunningham Passes On
 

Neal,
I've never had a three bladed prop. I've had a Martec folding prop/
with streamlined tip for longer than I care to remember

OT

Cunningham Passes On
 

I've never had a three bladed prop. I've had a Martec folding prop/
with streamlined tip for longer than I care to remember

According to to Donal and Scott, the Martec's are poor props.

RB

Cunningham Passes On
 

How is this a cheat? Since it is designed in to most one design boats, it is merely a way
to encourage maximum adjustability without exceeding the designed sail area.

Only someone terrified of the concept of racing would call this a cheat.

-j



"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

"Thomas Stewart" wrote in message
...
Oh ye of WILD IMAGINATION!

Please explain to this old dotard sailor, how a smaller sail is
cheating?

It is not a smaller sail. It is a larger sail hung in the prescribed triangle
so it has a full shape or big belly as the Brits might say. The sail only
fits in the triangle because it fits there loose. In order to flatten the
sail so it is efficient to windward it must be made larger than the
triangle allows. Normally this would be accomplished by uphauling
or downhauling provided there is fitted a sliding gooseneck on the boom.

Since this isn't allowed under the rules, the too large mainsail is pulled
flat at the luff by using a Cunningham cringle and tackle. This allows
the sail to be flattened but still remain in the triangle delineated by the
black marks. This is a cheat, plain and simple and anyone who does
not understand is certainly a dottering old fart.


Explain to Ole Thom, How stretching the Luff of a sail by a foot is a
better adjustment than simply gather in the Draft without over stressing
the sail lines?

It is a worse solution than drawing the entire boom down below the
black line. That is my point. But drawing the boom down is illegal
according to the rules.

Explain to me, in my Dotage, how you can stretch a Luff without over
tensioning the Head of the sail? If you stretch the Luff a foot, you
will prodably invert the upper batten. You for sure, are going to lose
that parallel relationship of the upper batten and the boom. This
doesn't happen with a Cunningham adjustment.

The dacron can be and is stretched all the time when trimming sails.
My sail happens to have a bolt rope which is also made of polyester
so it stretches right along with the luff of the sail.

I hope you are becomming educated in your dotage.

Cunningham Passes On
 

bob stutters when he lies.

"Bobsprit" wrote

According to to Donal and Scott, the Martec's are poor props.

aRBy

Cunningham Passes On
 

Does it do its work in an aperture or is it riding on a strut?


"Thomas Stewart" wrote in message ...
Neal,
I've never had a three bladed prop. I've had a Martec folding prop/
with streamlined tip for longer than I care to remember

OT

Cunningham Passes On
 

One only needs 'maximum' adjustability to the upside
when the sail is already too large for the prescribed
triangle. A non cheating person when adjusting the
sail to a full condition would have the sail smaller
than the allowed triangle. Those who cheat have
the sail completely filling the triangle when it's
full and then they flatten it with a Cunningham
device to keep the flattening process from putting
the sail outside the constraints of the triangle.


"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ...
How is this a cheat? Since it is designed in to most one design boats, it is merely a way
to encourage maximum adjustability without exceeding the designed sail area.

Only someone terrified of the concept of racing would call this a cheat.

-j



"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

"Thomas Stewart" wrote in message
...
Oh ye of WILD IMAGINATION!

Please explain to this old dotard sailor, how a smaller sail is
cheating?

It is not a smaller sail. It is a larger sail hung in the prescribed triangle
so it has a full shape or big belly as the Brits might say. The sail only
fits in the triangle because it fits there loose. In order to flatten the
sail so it is efficient to windward it must be made larger than the
triangle allows. Normally this would be accomplished by uphauling
or downhauling provided there is fitted a sliding gooseneck on the boom.

Since this isn't allowed under the rules, the too large mainsail is pulled
flat at the luff by using a Cunningham cringle and tackle. This allows
the sail to be flattened but still remain in the triangle delineated by the
black marks. This is a cheat, plain and simple and anyone who does
not understand is certainly a dottering old fart.


Explain to Ole Thom, How stretching the Luff of a sail by a foot is a
better adjustment than simply gather in the Draft without over stressing
the sail lines?

It is a worse solution than drawing the entire boom down below the
black line. That is my point. But drawing the boom down is illegal
according to the rules.

Explain to me, in my Dotage, how you can stretch a Luff without over
tensioning the Head of the sail? If you stretch the Luff a foot, you
will prodably invert the upper batten. You for sure, are going to lose
that parallel relationship of the upper batten and the boom. This
doesn't happen with a Cunningham adjustment.

The dacron can be and is stretched all the time when trimming sails.
My sail happens to have a bolt rope which is also made of polyester
so it stretches right along with the luff of the sail.

I hope you are becomming educated in your dotage.

Cunningham Passes On
 

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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I've never had a three bladed prop. I've had a Martec folding prop/
with streamlined tip for longer than I care to remember

According to to Donal and Scott, the Martec's are poor props.

So? Do you expect me to be right about everything?


We all make mistakes. Just look at the "good looking" "women" on your web
site!


Regards


Donal
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"Smother me in chocolate, and throw me to Bob's women".

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you really did say that? I thought boobs was trolling blindly again, I
don't recall ever saying no such thing.

Scotty

"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
I've never had a three bladed prop. I've had a Martec folding prop/
with streamlined tip for longer than I care to remember

According to to Donal and Scott, the Martec's are poor props.

So? Do you expect me to be right about everything?


We all make mistakes. Just look at the "good looking" "women" on your
web
site!


Regards


Donal
--
"Smother me in chocolate, and throw me to Bob's women".

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Neal,

I have a winged/fin keel, no aperature. Balanced spade rudder. Strut and
a 13x13 folding Martec

The peeling and fairing job went so well it has gotten the yard four
more jobs. I do believe they are using my boat for advertising. Damn I'm
missing that boat something awful.

Ole Thom

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don't recall ever saying no such thing.

Hoobily doobily doo!

RB

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I have seen them. One that wasn't working right, not very impressive.

Scotty

"Donal" wrote in message
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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
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you really did say that? I thought boobs was trolling blindly again, I
don't recall ever saying no such thing.


I can't remember, either. I've never seen a Martec, so I've no idea about
their quality.


Regards

Donal
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