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I've started to search the internet for a guide as to what this sort of
money can buy. It would seem like a decision between a ten year old,
ex-charter, 32 foot Beneteau, or an older more robust yacht: A She or a
Vancouver perhaps.

While the Beneteau could be fitted for bluewater work it will NEVER be the
equal of a boat intended for that purpose. Beneteau's are coastal boats.
The boat names will flow hot and heavy in here, so I won't get into that.

Good luck,

Capt RB
C&C 32
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"Daniel Thompson" wrote in message
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| I've started to search the internet for a guide as to what this sort of
| money can buy. It would seem like a decision between a ten year old,
| ex-charter, 32 foot Beneteau, or an older more robust yacht: A She or a
| Vancouver perhaps.

The Vancouver is an excellent choice.

| Are the Beneteaus and their ilk advisable for a transatlantic crossing?

Positively not..... but any vessel can make a trans Atlantic crossing
provided the right weather window and Captain.

|
| Would it be wiser to spend my cash on an older, perhaps even larger boat?

Get the largest boat you can afford and handle by youself.

|
| I would appreciate any advice on the matter.

Full Keel is the only way to go.

|
| Also, could the reader recommend some reputable charter companies to try
for
| bargain boats?

Pick one of the major chains... you'll not be too disappointed. Charter will
allow you only familiarity with fin keeled boats. Very few if any have full
keel boats. Try a variety to assist in your selection of what you require...
not what you want.

CM


CM

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"Daniel Thompson" wrote in message
...
I've started to search the internet for a guide as to what this sort of
money can buy. It would seem like a decision between a ten year old,
ex-charter, 32 foot Beneteau, or an older more robust yacht: A She or a
Vancouver perhaps.


Hmmm.... Your choice of words suggests a troll - "or an older *more robust*
yacht."


Do you want a "more robust" yacht for your crossing?

If you find an older boat that is also more robust, then it is obvious that
you already know what you are going to do.


I suspect that any ex-charter boat will be in need of some serious
maintenance. So it really depends on how much work you are willing to do.


Regards


Donal
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Still can't set your clock right, can you Danny? Before you get a real boat you should
learn to tell time.

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I've started to search the internet for a guide as to what this sort of
money can buy. It would seem like a decision between a ten year old,
ex-charter, 32 foot Beneteau, or an older more robust yacht: A She or a
Vancouver perhaps.

Are the Beneteaus and their ilk advisable for a transatlantic crossing?

Would it be wiser to spend my cash on an older, perhaps even larger boat?

I would appreciate any advice on the matter.

Also, could the reader recommend some reputable charter companies to try for
bargain boats?

Thanks in Advance.

Daniel Thompson.



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Hmmm.... Your choice of words suggests a troll - "or an older *more robust*
yacht."

What a paronoid freak. Beneteau, C&C, Catalina, Hunter, Pearson...most are not
considered "robust."
My idea of robust would be a Southern Cross, Alberg 35, Valiant and so on.
Try to help instead of looking for intrigue with every post, Donal.

RB

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ohhhhhhh, I think you *did* hurt his feelings, Donal.

Jolly good show.

SV

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Hmmm.... Your choice of words suggests a troll - "or an older *more
robust*
yacht."

What a paronoid freak. Beneteau, C&C, Catalina, Hunter, Pearson...most are
not
considered "robust."
My idea of robust would be a Southern Cross, Alberg 35, Valiant and so on.
Try to help instead of looking for intrigue with every post, Donal.

RB

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"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Hmmm.... Your choice of words suggests a troll - "or an older *more
robust*
yacht."

What a paronoid freak. Beneteau, C&C, Catalina, Hunter, Pearson...most are
not
considered "robust."
My idea of robust would be a Southern Cross, Alberg 35, Valiant and so on.
Try to help instead of looking for intrigue with every post, Donal.

BINGO!



Regards


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Try to help instead of looking for intrigue with every post, Donal.

BINGO!

He's off list, Donal. Posting to another group. Nice going. Learn to pick out
trolls from real sailing topics.
You haven't made a sailing related post in ages.
How's that Beneteau holding together? Hmmmm?

Bwahahahahaha! Bingo? Yeah! Right!

RB

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ved your website. Don't know who this donal guy is, but i'm doing what i can
to get info quickly. will take your suggestion and try sailnet. i heard that
beneteau and hunter were cheaply built, so i'll look elsewhere. the alberg 35
is too old i think if

Simply beautiful! Now that's a BINGO!

Bwahahahahahahaha!

RB

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"Daniel Thompson" wrote in message
...
What's a Troll, Donal?

It's a post that is specifically designed to start an arguement, as opposed
to a genuine question.

My previous answer to you was a Troll. It was designed to elicit a
response from overweight New Yorkers - and I think that you will agree that
it was a tremendous success! I've never been called a "paronoid[sic] freak"
before.

I'm not specifically going to be doing a trans Atlantic crossing: I just
want to know that it would be possible in the boat that I spend twenty
grand
on...If you look at my last posts, you might notice that i am way short of
being a proficient sailor.

Well, I'm no expert. I own a Beneteau, and I didn't buy it to do trans
Atlantic trips. I do regular cross channel trips to Cherbourg, Fecamp,
Channel Islands, and St Malo. I'm planning to do a trip to the Brest
area(so that we can tour S. Brittany) in the next year. My boat is quite
capable of doing Trans Atlantic trips, but if Transats were my main
objective, then I would have bought a different boat. In fact, if I was
going to do an Atlantic crossing, I would probably change my boat, despite
the fact that many, many Beneteaus have crossed the Atlantic.

However, your choice of words "or something more robust" leads me to
conclude that your choice is predetermined. There is nothing wrong with
this - in fact, quite the opposite. If you know your own mind, then you
are much more likely to enjoy whatever boat you get.

Buying a boat should be a bit like buying a house. When you see the boat
that is right for you, you know it as soon as you see it. You should be
consumed with a desire to possess it. It should "feel" right almost from
the moment that you set foot on it. If it still feels right once you gor
for a test sail, then all the advice in the world won't stop you from buying
it. You will end up with a boat that you are at home on.

If you are new to sailing, then of course you should seek opinions.
However, if you completely rely on these opinions for your final decision,
then you will end up with nothing more than a stepping stone to a more
suitable boat.

If you really do not know what kind of boat to buy, then I would recommend
that you either get some experience on other people's boats, or buy a small,
cheap boat. The latter option would be the best, as you learn more in one
day as skipper than you will learn in a year as crew.


Now, I would like to get back to your original question. "What is a
troll?". This answer is an excellent example of a good troll. I've
answered your question honestly, but at the same time I've managed to upset
an overweight New Yorker. He won't respond directly to this post, because
that would prove my point. However, if you watch carefully for a couple of
days, you will see evidence that Bobsprit is really mad at me. The really
funny thing is that I actually like him!

Good luck with your boat puechase.

Regards


Donal
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But if you do want to know how a paranoid behaves, follow one around for a
while.
Scout

"Donal" wrote
I've never been called a "paronoid[sic] freak"

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According to Danny... that would make him an "expert".......

CM

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
| I have no experience with this. Could you please tell us,
| as one who has experience is such matters.
|
| "Simple Simon" wrote in message
| ...
|
| "Donal" wrote in message
| ...
| but at the same time I've managed to upset
| an overweight New Yorker. He won't respond directly to this post,
| because
| that would prove my point. However, if you watch carefully for a
couple
| of
| days, you will see evidence that Bobsprit is really mad at me. The
| really
| funny thing is that I actually like him!
|
|
| You, Booby and Ganz will make a fine circle jerk.
|
|
|
|

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Pity, with boobys' short attention span (ADD), he won't even get to the
'stepping stone' bit.
S


"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Daniel Thompson" wrote in message
...
What's a Troll, Donal?

It's a post that is specifically designed to start an arguement, as
opposed
to a genuine question.

My previous answer to you was a Troll. It was designed to elicit a
response from overweight New Yorkers - and I think that you will agree
that
it was a tremendous success! I've never been called a "paronoid[sic]
freak"
before.

I'm not specifically going to be doing a trans Atlantic crossing: I just
want to know that it would be possible in the boat that I spend twenty
grand
on...If you look at my last posts, you might notice that i am way short
of
being a proficient sailor.

Well, I'm no expert. I own a Beneteau, and I didn't buy it to do trans
Atlantic trips. I do regular cross channel trips to Cherbourg, Fecamp,
Channel Islands, and St Malo. I'm planning to do a trip to the Brest
area(so that we can tour S. Brittany) in the next year. My boat is quite
capable of doing Trans Atlantic trips, but if Transats were my main
objective, then I would have bought a different boat. In fact, if I was
going to do an Atlantic crossing, I would probably change my boat, despite
the fact that many, many Beneteaus have crossed the Atlantic.

However, your choice of words "or something more robust" leads me to
conclude that your choice is predetermined. There is nothing wrong with
this - in fact, quite the opposite. If you know your own mind, then you
are much more likely to enjoy whatever boat you get.

Buying a boat should be a bit like buying a house. When you see the boat
that is right for you, you know it as soon as you see it. You should be
consumed with a desire to possess it. It should "feel" right almost from
the moment that you set foot on it. If it still feels right once you gor
for a test sail, then all the advice in the world won't stop you from
buying
it. You will end up with a boat that you are at home on.

If you are new to sailing, then of course you should seek opinions.
However, if you completely rely on these opinions for your final decision,
then you will end up with nothing more than a stepping stone to a more
suitable boat.

If you really do not know what kind of boat to buy, then I would recommend
that you either get some experience on other people's boats, or buy a
small,
cheap boat. The latter option would be the best, as you learn more in one
day as skipper than you will learn in a year as crew.


Now, I would like to get back to your original question. "What is a
troll?". This answer is an excellent example of a good troll. I've
answered your question honestly, but at the same time I've managed to
upset
an overweight New Yorker. He won't respond directly to this post, because
that would prove my point. However, if you watch carefully for a couple
of
days, you will see evidence that Bobsprit is really mad at me. The really
funny thing is that I actually like him!

Good luck with your boat puechase.

Regards


Donal
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"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

"Donal" wrote in message
...
but at the same time I've managed to upset
an overweight New Yorker. He won't respond directly to this post,
because
that would prove my point. However, if you watch carefully for a couple
of
days, you will see evidence that Bobsprit is really mad at me. The
really
funny thing is that I actually like him!


You, Booby and Ganz will make a fine circle jerk.

What on Earth are you talking about? You know that *you* were my Hero until
Horvath came along.




Regards


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wrote in message
...
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:58:14 +0100, "Donal" wrote:

My boat is quite
capable of doing Trans Atlantic trips, but if Transats were my main
objective, then I would have bought a different boat. In fact, if I was
going to do an Atlantic crossing, I would probably change my boat,
despite
the fact that many, many Beneteaus have crossed the Atlantic.


Point of order: Most Beneteus that have crossed the Atlantic did so
strapped to
the deck of a freighter.


LOL.

Regards


Donal
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You're getting closer - you have the right time zone now (I think) - but you probably
posted that in the morning, not the evening.

Before you accuse me of being overly picky about this, consider the problems you'll have
if you habitually pick the wrong day in the tide tables, etc. You should get in the
practice of always double and triple checking these things.

-jeff
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"Daniel Thompson" wrote in message
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Still can't set your clock right, can you Danny? Before you get a real
boat you should
learn to tell time.

Job done.


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I never check
headers..... why would anyone even care?

Mooron, people "like" Scotty, Donal, Skitch, Loco and Steve are always checking
headers. They aren't sailing, so they look for anything to troll with.
I also don't bother with headers.
Poor Steve even whined that I was using a different name in the C&C group! The
poor moron didn't even notice that my sig was the same!
Petty and more petty.
I'm going sailing as soon as Suzanne get's back from West Marine....she's
buying a new pair of binocs for the boat.
And yes....they're chromed and cost more than Scotty's boat!

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Good one, JL.

As it turns out my watch is an old "self winder" and my two wall clocks are 8-day windups.
They all keep horrible time, compared to my wife's cheap quartz watch.

"jlrogers" wrote in message
...
I give you now Professor Jeff,
Constant vigilance is his clef.
His clock is wound three time a day
Just too bad it turns wrong way.



"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
You're getting closer - you have the right time zone now (I think) - but you probably
posted that in the morning, not the evening.

Before you accuse me of being overly picky about this, consider the problems you'll
have
if you habitually pick the wrong day in the tide tables, etc. You should get in the
practice of always double and triple checking these things.

-jeff
"Constant Vigilance!" - Frances W. Wright


"Daniel Thompson" wrote in message
...

Still can't set your clock right, can you Danny? Before you get a real
boat you should
learn to tell time.

Job done.


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I sort the postings by time, not by thread. This means that someone who "post-dates"
perpetually shows up at the top of the list. Its just a minor annoyance, like a car who's
turn signal is on all the time. I only checked the headers to see if the time was set
wrong or if it was the wrong timezone.

The truth is, almost everyone has the correct time - there have been relatively few people
who's clocks are set wrong. Although it may seem that I've been obsessive about this, I
think I've only told 3 or 4 people to correct their clocks in the last 4 years. And
strangely, most people insist they're right when they're so obviously wrong. Donal is
one of the few that confessed to having a faulty clock; I sympathize, having had a similar
problems before upgrading to XP. Unfortunately, I miss a number of his posts if they're
pre-dated by several hours.

I appreciate your comment on tides - we have 10 foot tides here and significant current,
but I only have to look at the tables once every week or so, if that. When we travel,
however, I'm flipping through Eldridge or Reed's a few times every day.

-jeff
"Constant Vigilance!" - Frances W. Wright



"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
6 people at the dock yesterday..... none of them wearing a watch. All of
them trying to answer some guy's question of "what time is it?".....
everyone knew it was about 3 hours before low tide slack. I knew low tide
was at 2000 hrs..... since 5 days before it was at 1600 hrs.

That's how we keep time up here in Nova Scotia..... tides, sun, moon,
seagulls and roosters. I have a wrist sundial.... but with the fog it's
hardly worth wearing. If you live on or by the ocean and you don't know when
the tide is high.... you have got way more problems than a watch or calender
can correct.

Do you have shares in Timex Jeff???????
You seem to be almost fanatical about this. I mean really... I could care
less if someone posted 5 days ago let alone 5 minutes ago. I never check
headers..... why would anyone even care?

I haven't worn a watch all season. I have one chronometer in my boat and a
stop watch for navigation. That's it.
I get up at dawn and go to bed at sundown.

CM






"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
| You're getting closer - you have the right time zone now (I think) - but
you probably
| posted that in the morning, not the evening.
|
| Before you accuse me of being overly picky about this, consider the
problems you'll have
| if you habitually pick the wrong day in the tide tables, etc. You should
get in the
| practice of always double and triple checking these things.
|
| -jeff
| "Constant Vigilance!" - Frances W. Wright
|
|
| "Daniel Thompson" wrote in message
| ...
|
| Still can't set your clock right, can you Danny? Before you get a
real
| boat you should
| learn to tell time.
|
| Job done.
|
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If you buy a vessel designed for ocean crossing it simply restricts
your ability to get to the places closer by where you'd really like to go,
because it takes too long to get to them.

I would suspect that the bilge keel would cause problems in currents and
tides too?

Is it not just far safer to potter about in a bilge keel?

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Still can't set your clock right, can you Danny? Before you get a real
boat you should
learn to tell time.

Job done.


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I sort by 'when recieved', so it doesn't matter if the posters' time/date is
wrong, it goes by the time I (or my ISP) recieve it.

Scotty

"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
I sort the postings by time, not by thread. This means that someone who
"post-dates"
perpetually shows up at the top of the list. Its just a minor annoyance,
like a car who's
turn signal is on all the time. I only checked the headers to see if the
time was set
wrong or if it was the wrong timezone.

The truth is, almost everyone has the correct time - there have been
relatively few people
who's clocks are set wrong. Although it may seem that I've been obsessive
about this, I
think I've only told 3 or 4 people to correct their clocks in the last 4
years. And
strangely, most people insist they're right when they're so obviously
wrong. Donal is
one of the few that confessed to having a faulty clock; I sympathize,
having had a similar
problems before upgrading to XP. Unfortunately, I miss a number of his
posts if they're
pre-dated by several hours.

I appreciate your comment on tides - we have 10 foot tides here and
significant current,
but I only have to look at the tables once every week or so, if that.
When we travel,
however, I'm flipping through Eldridge or Reed's a few times every day.

-jeff
"Constant Vigilance!" - Frances W. Wright



"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
6 people at the dock yesterday..... none of them wearing a watch. All
of
them trying to answer some guy's question of "what time is it?".....
everyone knew it was about 3 hours before low tide slack. I knew low
tide
was at 2000 hrs..... since 5 days before it was at 1600 hrs.

That's how we keep time up here in Nova Scotia..... tides, sun, moon,
seagulls and roosters. I have a wrist sundial.... but with the fog it's
hardly worth wearing. If you live on or by the ocean and you don't know
when
the tide is high.... you have got way more problems than a watch or
calender
can correct.

Do you have shares in Timex Jeff???????
You seem to be almost fanatical about this. I mean really... I could
care
less if someone posted 5 days ago let alone 5 minutes ago. I never check
headers..... why would anyone even care?

I haven't worn a watch all season. I have one chronometer in my boat and
a
stop watch for navigation. That's it.
I get up at dawn and go to bed at sundown.

CM






"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
| You're getting closer - you have the right time zone now (I think) -
but
you probably
| posted that in the morning, not the evening.
|
| Before you accuse me of being overly picky about this, consider the
problems you'll have
| if you habitually pick the wrong day in the tide tables, etc. You
should
get in the
| practice of always double and triple checking these things.
|
| -jeff
| "Constant Vigilance!" - Frances W. Wright
|
|
| "Daniel Thompson" wrote in message
| ...
|
| Still can't set your clock right, can you Danny? Before you get
a
real
| boat you should
| learn to tell time.
|
| Job done.
|
|
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I
think I've only told 3 or 4 people to correct their clocks in the last 4
years

I fixed it, alright already.....

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