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Canuck57[_9_]

On 21/05/2011 8:02 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 20 May 2011 17:18:06 -0600,
wrote:

On 20/05/2011 1:58 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 20 May 2011 12:49:41 -0600,
wrote:

It isn't about good will, it is about a sellout. Islam has declared
Israel an enemy of state. Reminds me of "peac in our time pre-WW II.

Maybe give Alaska back to the Russians while you are at it. And the US
Canadian border to the west should be a few degrees south.

Maybe give the Mexicans California and Texas back.

It doesn't end.

In this case it would be more like letting the Germans keep Poland but
the Texas California situation might be similar. We took that as the
spoils of war.
(We bought Alaska)
I really thought the idea of wars of conquest went out since the 40s
when we gave everything back that we took in WWII. In fact the US has
given back virtually everything it has taken in war since 1898. We
pretty much only have Puerto Rico and a small patch in Cuba today.

The only lasting peace in the middle east will have to start at the
1967 borders.

Fact is, go back far enough, Israel has claim. Islam fascism didn't get
brewing until 630AD....

So picking some arbitrary point in time between then and now...sort of
arrogant of Obama to say that. If I was Israel, I would open up talks
with the Russians and Chinese.... US is an UNRELIABLE ally.

Russia and China might want them to go back to the pre-1948 borders.
It should be noted that the Saudis are nuzzling up to the Chinese as
we speak and most of the Arab world was aligned with the Soviets until
fairly recently. The thing that changed that was Mubarak aligning
himself with the US and getting billions in US military aid about 30
years ago. Then a week into the protests we threw him under the bus.
It would not be surprising that they started looking East for a
friend.

I doubt China and Russia care much about Israel other than the
possibility of arms sales. But who knows, when your biggest ally screws
you around, maybe Israel will sell tech to China.

Mubarak was betrayed by Obama, few know he was elected and the day
before his stepping down, he actually had more public support in Egypt
than Obama had in the USA. Obama was a freaking hypocrite here, totally
destroying US relationships in the area save Saudi. But the Saudi are
not stupid, they know Obama can't be trusted. Eygypt still hasn't had
its elections, and lets hope they do have the regularily scheduled
elections in September.

What I fear with all of this is Obama has really set the stage for an
Islamic united nations under the Muslim Brotherhood. Muslim Brotherhood
is involved in Libya, Tunisia, Egypt, Syria. Yet Obama backs them even
though many have al Queda ties. No mention of the 100+ dead Christians
in Egypt either. Or the 1000's of thousands fleaing in Ivory Costs from
the new UN imposed Muslim leader.

But lets assume Obama's objectives are not for the furthermost of
Islamic radicalism (which I think is a real possibility) then what is
the motive? Put the middle east into anarchy? Start a war? Liba had a
functioning economy and good standards of living for the area, until
Obama-NATO-France regime bombed the hell out of it.

It has always nagged at me why Obama supports al Qaeda affiliated armed
radical rebels in Libya yet ignores Yemen/Behrain unarmed people getting
shot who scale. Pretty clear Obama is not telling the who truth one way
or another.

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