"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
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"Maxprop" wrote in message

I get fingerprinted every three years in order to obtain a firearms carry
permit. BFD--I have nothing to hide. It makes my fingers black and the
cleanup is a PITA, but hardly worth fretting over. It may be an
infringement on my privacy and personal freedom, but it is what I have to
do to accomplish my goal, so I do it without bitching. To refuse to do
so would mean that I am denied my permit to carry. That would affect
me--not those who have instigated the policies.

Good Grief!!... I have never been fingerprinted. I have a restricted
weapons permit, I have an airside access permit, I have a clean
record..... having something to hide isn't the issue here Max.....
having information about me stored within a system as displayed by the US
government is. I have the option not to have that information gathered.
Despite our idiotic gunlaws in Canada.... I don't require a retinal scan
nor fingerprinting to obtain restricted weapons permit.

A complete set of my prints have been on file with the local, state, and
fedral government for decades. And they've never been used for anything. I
have nothing to hide, and as long as that remains the case, that info just
sits there, full of no sound or fury, signifying nothing. You are truly
paranoid. Do you honestly believe that your prints and retinal scans will
be lying one someone's desktop and pulled up now and then and examined?
"Hmm, John, look here at this Mooron fellow. These prints looks awfully
suspicious. Maybe we'd better do some further investigating of this guy. I
think he may be al Qaeda . . ." In fact any prints taken at the US/Canadian
border will end up in an archive, lost and buried. Most won't even get put
on the fingerprint database servers at the FBI, there will simply be too
many of them.

And no, you don't offend my national pride, or any such silly, fallacious
conclusion you may concoct, in the least. My point is simply that your
indignation is placing limits on your ability to move about the world.
It has no effect whatever upon me or my countrymen. You're more than
welcome to stand on your principles and avoid the US. We don't care in
the slightest.

Bull****.... it's obvious it offends you.

Not in the least. I couldn't care less. This entire debate has been a
mildly amusing entertainment, nothing more, nothing less. To believe
otherwise would be arrogant of you--and you certainly don't want to be
viewed as arrogant, now do you? Fact is, Mooron, only you and Ozzy can
debate with something resembling intelligence and cogent arguments. This is
recreation only. Sorry if I've offended you buy informing you that I really
don't give a rat's posterior if you choose to stand on the border and ****
on our country.

It's not indignation on my part Max.... it's merely refusal to comply with
ridiculous demands.

That would actually suffice as a reasonable definition of indignation.

We are all limited as to our ability to "move about the world"... make no
mistake regarding that fact. Nonetheless... my not having access to the
USA in no way impedes my ability to travel to the remaining 80% of the
countries on this planet that are available to me.
...and Max, I most certainly will stand on my principals.

Good for you, Mooron. Everyone has a right to righteous indignation. Even
you.

I guess, then, that you'll not be going anywhere a passport is necessary,
eh?

You're suffering a brain fart there aren't you Max.... I have a passport
and can travel to the majority of the countries on this planet....
which do not require retinal scans and fingerprinting.

Since most countries eventually and ultimately emulate the security
procedures instituted in the US, you may discover fewer and fewer countries
where such identity records aren't accumulated. You may just achieve that
isolationist status yet.

I currently have an EEC Passport, microchipped and a Canadian Permanent
Resident Card as well as 2 entry visas to the USA labelled "
permanent.indefinite for business or pleasure" . I'm welcome almost
everywhere I choose to go.

I hear Damascus is lovely this time of year. g

Max