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Now don't be jealous because I have TWO pee holes on my outboard
and you only have ONE on yours. LOL.
-Jay




I just read the specs and that thing is way heavy. 30 pounds for a 2.5 HP?
YIKES!

https://secure.suzuki.com/marine/_m/brochures/df2.5.pdf


I used to have a 3.5 HP Mariner two-stroke vintage 1995. It weighed 19
pounds. And they call this four stroke heavyweight progress? Gimme a break!

Wilbur Hubbard



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On Fri, 16 May 08, Jay wrote:
Now don't be jealous because I have TWO pee holes on my outboard
and you only have ONE on yours.


My entire life I've heard the expression "Lucky as a two dick dog" but
I don't think I've ever heard of a 2 pee hole outboard lol! Not saying
it's not possible though, I don't know anything about Suzuki. I have
a small Honda though with two holes like that but one is a tell tale
and the other is a carb drain.
But if you're tell tale is squirting water, your pump is deep enough
in the bucket. With only a 5 gallon bucket though, I'd make sure it's
spuirting back in the bucket and not on the ground. You could end up
pumping your cooling water out of the bucket ;-)
Sounds like you have it under control though. But I agree with the
suggestion to read your owners manual.

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Okay, I took the advice and re-read my owner's manual and found that
Suzuki calls the two tiny holes I described earlier the "pilot
holes." And yes, they are what others have been referring to as the
pee hole(s) and/or tell-tale hole(s) as they serve the same purpose.

According to the manual, when water is squirting out of these two
little holes while the motor is running, it indicates the cooling
system is working properly. So it sounds like that mystery is
solved. Thanks again for the reminder.

-Jay


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On May 17, 4:21*am, wrote:
I just checked, and can't find the owners manual for your outboard on the Suzuki
website. It sounds odd that there would be 2 tell tales. Very odd. I'd really
double check that in the manual.


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That's where I got it from...the Suzuki owner's manual, complete
with a diagram showing two streams of water squirting out of the pilot
holes. (Page 21 of manual). On that page, under "cooling water check"
it states, "Cooling water is intermittently discharged from the pilot
water holes at medium engine speeds. Water is not normally discharged
at other speeds even when the engine is operating properly. However,
cooling system operation can be confirmed as follows:

1---Place the shift selector lever in the neutral position with the
motor idling.

2---Increase and decrease the engine speed five or six times in
succession by opening and closing the throttle smoothly and without
stopping in any one throttle position.

3---If water is discharged from the pilot water holes under this
operating condition, the cooling system is working properly. If water
is not discharged, stop the engine as soon as possible and consult
your authorized Suzuki Marine dealer.

It then states: CAUTION Never operate your outboard motor when there
is no water coming out of the pilot water holes or severe damage can
result. Before setting off, be sure that emergency stop switch
operates properly.

You have now read exactly the same thing as I have read since I lifted
it word-for-word from the official owner's manual for the Suzuki DF2.5
outboard motor. The Suzuki owner's manual is part #99011-97J02-03B.

-Jay

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The tell tale does not completely guarantee
that the engine is being cooled, but it does show that the pump is at least
working and sending water up as far as the tell-tale. If the water passages in
the engine itself are blocked, the tell tale will actually pee HARDER. If the
pump is allowed to run while dry, the impeller is damaged or destroyed within
seconds, as in less than a minute. If I owned a motor that either was started
for just an instant without the leg in water, or saw no water from the tell tale
after a couple of seconds, I would automatically replace the impeller without
any further debate. I carry a spare impeller or two on the mothership at all
times. They are a lot less expensive than a motor rebuild or replacement.

You should plan on replacing the impeller every other season regardless of
anything else, including whether the motor was even used or not. It's not a hard
job, but it's an important bit of maintenance.- Hide quoted text -



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Jay wrote:
"Water is NOT normally discharged
at other speeds even when the engine is operating properly.


Salty wrote:
Truly bizarre.


Especially when coupled with the part that says:

"Never operate your outboard motor when there
is no water coming out of the pilot water holest".

I think the same guy writes the Honda manuals ;-)

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On Sat, 17 May 2008 00:09:12 -0700 (PDT), Jay
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when water is squirting out of these two
little holes while the motor is running, it indicates the cooling
system is working properly. So it sounds like that mystery is
solved.


Except for the part that says it's still ok when it's not
squirting.... unless severe damage occurs lol!
I think Salty said it best ... "Truly bizarre".
I think I would call a Suzuki mechanic (not a salesman) and get an
explanation that makes sense.. And pin him down if necessary. That
owners manual is as ambiguous as any I've heard about.
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On May 17, 8:40*am, wrote:

Except for the part that says it's still ok when it's not squirting.... unless severe damage occurs lol! I think Salty said it best ... "Truly bizarre".


I don't recall that statement (...it's still ok when it's not
squirting.... unless severe damage occurs...) being in the manual.

I think I would call a Suzuki mechanic (not a salesman) and get an explanation that makes sense.. And pin him down if necessary. That owners manual is as ambiguous as any I've heard about.


I already did contact a Suzuki mechanic and he confirmed that
Suzuki calls them pilot holes, not pee or tell-tale holes and that
they serve the same purpose as pee holes and/or tell-tale holes. I
agree that sometimes things appear "bizarre" but sometimes they do
simply because some are not aware of them, not because they are
necessarily in error.

The manual states, "Cooling water is intermittently discharged from
the pilot water holes at medium engine speeds. Water is not normally
discharged at other speeds even when the engine is operating
properly. However, cooling system operation can be confirmed as
follows:

1---Place the shift selector lever in the NEUTRAL position with the
motor idling.
2---Increase and decrease the engine speed five or six times in
succession by opening and closing the throttle smoothly and without
stopping in any one throttle position.
3---If water is discharged from the pilot water holes under this
operating condition, the cooling system is working properly. If
water
is not discharged, stop the engine as soon as possible and consult
your authorized Suzuki Marine dealer."

It then states: CAUTION Never OPERATE (perhaps they are referring to
having the motor in GEAR, not NEUTRAL as stated above) your outboard
motor when there is no water coming out of the pilot water holes or
severe damage can
result. Before setting off, be sure that emergency stop switch
operates properly.

Perhaps there's a difference between having the motor idling in
neutral and operating the motor under stress in gear in regards to the
functionality and/or creating possible damage in regards to the
cooling system?

-Jay



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On Sat, 17 May 2008 10:40:54 -0500, lid wrote:

I think I would call a Suzuki mechanic (not a salesman) and get an
explanation that makes sense.


The motor is working fine and a 5 gallon pail is more than enough.

I've run my 20 horse Honda in a 5 gallon pail when no other choice was
available.

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I've run my 20 horse Honda in a 5 gallon pail when no other choice was
available.



Just curious. Why would you do that? Don't you realize that 4-stroke
outboards store almost indefinitely without needing to be run to keep the
piston from corroding and seizing to the cylinder? It's because the
cylinder and rings and piston are bathed by pure oil and not some diluted
mist like in a two-stroke motor. Also, most of the time a single cylinder
four-stroke engine, due to camshaft configuration, will stop with the piston
at or near TDC with the valves closed. This effectively seals the innards
from corrosion causing moisture.


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On May 17, 3:02*pm, wrote:
On Sat, 17 May 2008 13:45:22 -0700 (PDT), Jay wrote:
On May 17, 8:40*am, wrote:


Except for the part that says it's still ok when it's not squirting.... unless severe damage occurs lol! *I think Salty said it best ... "Truly bizarre".


I don't recall that statement (...it's still ok when it's not
squirting.... unless severe damage occurs...) being in the manual.


I think I would call a Suzuki mechanic (not a salesman) and get an explanation that makes sense.. And pin him down if necessary. That owners manual is as ambiguous as any I've heard about.


I already did contact a Suzuki mechanic and he confirmed that
Suzuki calls them pilot holes, not pee or tell-tale holes and that
they serve the same purpose as pee holes and/or tell-tale holes. *I
agree that sometimes things appear "bizarre" but sometimes they do
simply because some are not aware of them, not because they are
necessarily in error.


The manual states, "Cooling water is intermittently discharged from
the pilot water holes at medium engine speeds. *Water is not normally
discharged at other speeds even when the engine is operating
properly. *However, cooling system operation can be confirmed as
follows:


1---Place the shift selector lever in the NEUTRAL position with the
motor idling.
2---Increase and decrease the engine speed five or six times in
succession by opening and closing the throttle smoothly and without
stopping in any one throttle position.
3---If water is discharged from the pilot water holes under this
operating condition, the cooling system is working properly. *If
water
is not discharged, stop the engine as soon as possible and consult
your authorized Suzuki Marine dealer."


It then states: *CAUTION *Never OPERATE (perhaps they are referring to
having the motor in GEAR, not NEUTRAL as stated above) your outboard
motor when there is no water coming out of the pilot water holes or
severe damage can
result. *Before setting off, be sure that emergency stop switch
operates properly.


Perhaps there's a difference between having the motor idling in
neutral and operating the motor under stress in gear in regards to the
functionality and/or creating possible damage in regards to the
cooling system?


-Jay


The purpose of a tell-tale, regardless of what you want to call it, is to be a
CONSTANT indicator that the water pump is working.


So it makes no difference in this particular Suzuki model, first
designed and manufactured in 2006, whether or not the engine is under
load (i.e. in gear as opposed to idling in neutral) as to the
necessity of the water pump squirting water out of the pilot holes?


That is why ALL small outboards have them. If Suzuki has built an engine with a tell tale, pilot hole, or pee-hole that does not emit water under ALL operating conditions then the only answer is that they made a big mistake in their design, and should issue a recall to rectify it.


So therefore it's not at all possible that a new design created
just 18-24 months ago by Suzuki could have created a motor that is not
like ALL other motors and that no mistake at all was made?

There is no good reason on earth why the cooling water indicator on an outboard should ever stop squirting while the motor is running. That's a potentially fatal flaw.


Or perhaps there is no good reason I. you or several others can
think of at this time?

Not trying to disagree with what you're saying but just keeping an
open mind. I've found that I get used to things being a certain way
in other matters and sometimes have difficulty accepting they could be
done differently and be just as good, and not necessarily "wrong." I
guess the best way to resolve this issue is perhaps to write American
Suzuki Marine, P.O. Box 1100, Brea, CA 92822 and give 'em the what
for...lol.

Tell you what. I'll take the boat out soon, putt around the lake
and if no water squirts out all the time and the motor seizes up, I'll
feed it to Suzuki for lunch. If I putt around the lake and water
doesn't squirt out all the time and nothing overheats and/or seizes
up, I guess then I'll know that they didn't screw up and they did
design a motor to operate exactly as stated in the manual and that all
other fears basesd on other outboard motors are therefore groundless.
Does that sound reasonable?

-Jay


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