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Amazing reaction to tax announcement
On 4/26/17 4:09 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 3:58 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/26/17 3:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: In other words, if Trump proposed it .... it must be bad ... even if you don't even know the details of his tax changes. What Trump specializes in is bad, poorly thought out ideas, most of which will never come to fruition. But the dummies in his base still believe him. Remember when Trump said repeatedly and in no uncertain terms that he would build a big, beautiful wall along the U.S.-Mexico border and the wall would be paid for by Mexico? How is that working out? He's still claiming it will be built. We'll just have to see. He's coming up on 100 days in office. Something like 1,390 days more to go. I hope not. |
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Amazing reaction to tax announcement
On 4/26/2017 4:04 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 4:01 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 4/26/2017 3:07 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/26/17 2:35 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: As is my hobby, I channel surf after a major political announcement or news, just to get a feel on how the cable networks react. So, after today's announcement of the proposed new tax rates, the panel on FoxNews were kicking around how it will help individuals, small businesses and large businesses. The focus of their discussion was how and why the new tax rate plan would benefit the economy overall and create more jobs. Switch to MSNBC: Here the larger panel of pundits were focusing (and speculating) on how the new tax rates will benefit Donald Trump. Period. That's all they were talking about. Like you, Fox has bought into the Trump bull****. MSNBC wants to know how many millions the Trumpsters will make off of this, what it will do to the deficits, and how it will devastate what little remains of the social safety net, science, enforcement of anti-pollution and other citizen safety laws. BTW, this wasn't his budget request. It was his proposal for lowering taxes. The rich still pay the highest percentage by far. It really applies to middle class individuals, Sub-S sorporations and large corporations as an incentive to base operations in the USA, expand and hire more Americans. A one time tax will apply for those corporations with their holdings overseas and then a 15 percent (as proposed) tax thereafter. This is very good for the economy of the USA. Really? What about the deficit? His Treasury guy (forget his name) claims the new tax rates will produce something like 5 Trillion in revenues over 5 years. It's a start. |
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Amazing reaction to tax announcement
On 4/26/17 4:12 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 4:04 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/26/17 4:01 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 4/26/2017 3:07 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/26/17 2:35 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: As is my hobby, I channel surf after a major political announcement or news, just to get a feel on how the cable networks react. So, after today's announcement of the proposed new tax rates, the panel on FoxNews were kicking around how it will help individuals, small businesses and large businesses. The focus of their discussion was how and why the new tax rate plan would benefit the economy overall and create more jobs. Switch to MSNBC: Here the larger panel of pundits were focusing (and speculating) on how the new tax rates will benefit Donald Trump. Period. That's all they were talking about. Like you, Fox has bought into the Trump bull****. MSNBC wants to know how many millions the Trumpsters will make off of this, what it will do to the deficits, and how it will devastate what little remains of the social safety net, science, enforcement of anti-pollution and other citizen safety laws. BTW, this wasn't his budget request. It was his proposal for lowering taxes. The rich still pay the highest percentage by far. It really applies to middle class individuals, Sub-S sorporations and large corporations as an incentive to base operations in the USA, expand and hire more Americans. A one time tax will apply for those corporations with their holdings overseas and then a 15 percent (as proposed) tax thereafter. This is very good for the economy of the USA. Really? What about the deficit? His Treasury guy (forget his name) claims the new tax rates will produce something like 5 Trillion in revenues over 5 years. It's a start. That's hilarious. |
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Amazing reaction to tax announcement
On 4/26/2017 4:11 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 4:08 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 4/26/2017 3:55 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/26/17 3:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 4/26/2017 3:07 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/26/17 2:35 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: As is my hobby, I channel surf after a major political announcement or news, just to get a feel on how the cable networks react. So, after today's announcement of the proposed new tax rates, the panel on FoxNews were kicking around how it will help individuals, small businesses and large businesses. The focus of their discussion was how and why the new tax rate plan would benefit the economy overall and create more jobs. Switch to MSNBC: Here the larger panel of pundits were focusing (and speculating) on how the new tax rates will benefit Donald Trump. Period. That's all they were talking about. Like you, Fox has bought into the Trump bull****. MSNBC wants to know how many millions the Trumpsters will make off of this, what it will do to the deficits, and how it will devastate what little remains of the social safety net, science, enforcement of anti-pollution and other citizen safety laws. In other words, if Trump proposed it .... it must be bad ... even if you don't even know the details of his tax changes. As usual, Trump didn't present any real details, and until he provides details *and* his tax returns and an independent agency determines how much the Trumps will make off of this latest scheme, it should be dead in the water. Trump promised to revise the tax code. Whatever today's proposal is, it ain't that. Further, there is no evidence that draconian tax cuts will result in more good jobs. Yes, the tax code revision is on his "to-do" list but this wasn't it. This addressed lowering taxes only. The Dems are going to screw this all up because they think seeing Trump's tax returns is more important than giving the middle class and business, small and large, a tax break. Personally, I don't give a **** about Trump's tax returns. They are, by law, automatically audited by the IRS ... both his and the Vice President's. If something is illegal in them, I am sure a whistle blower will let the media know. Amazing, isn't it, that roles have reversed in Congress. The liberals are now the obstructionist party and the conservatives are the progressives (for the most part). I'm not sure "illegality" is the issue in Trump's tax returns, although if there is income in there from Russia, well, that might be a can of worms. Oh...the conservatives...are the regressives. Trump is entitled to take advantage of every legal deduction or tax loophole ... just like you and I are. His numbers are just a hell of a lot bigger, that's all. Still waiting for the shoe to drop with the "Russia, Russia, Russia" thing, huh? I wonder what is taking the FBI, the House Committee and the Senate Committee so long to conduct their "investigations". Don't you think that if a real, smoking gun had been discovered by now that proved some kind of collusion between Trump and Russia that someone ... Comey, one of the Democrat committee members or even one of the Republican committee members would be screaming at the top of their lungs? They love to be famous. Or are they going to just stay quiet and let an illegal president continue to run the country? |
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Amazing reaction to tax announcement
On 4/26/2017 4:12 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 4:09 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 4/26/2017 3:58 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/26/17 3:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: In other words, if Trump proposed it .... it must be bad ... even if you don't even know the details of his tax changes. What Trump specializes in is bad, poorly thought out ideas, most of which will never come to fruition. But the dummies in his base still believe him. Remember when Trump said repeatedly and in no uncertain terms that he would build a big, beautiful wall along the U.S.-Mexico border and the wall would be paid for by Mexico? How is that working out? He's still claiming it will be built. We'll just have to see. He's coming up on 100 days in office. Something like 1,390 days more to go. I hope not. Sorry Harry but you and Maxine are not likely to get your wish. |
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Amazing reaction to tax announcement
On 4/26/2017 4:15 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 4:12 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 4/26/2017 4:04 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/26/17 4:01 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 4/26/2017 3:07 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/26/17 2:35 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: As is my hobby, I channel surf after a major political announcement or news, just to get a feel on how the cable networks react. So, after today's announcement of the proposed new tax rates, the panel on FoxNews were kicking around how it will help individuals, small businesses and large businesses. The focus of their discussion was how and why the new tax rate plan would benefit the economy overall and create more jobs. Switch to MSNBC: Here the larger panel of pundits were focusing (and speculating) on how the new tax rates will benefit Donald Trump. Period. That's all they were talking about. Like you, Fox has bought into the Trump bull****. MSNBC wants to know how many millions the Trumpsters will make off of this, what it will do to the deficits, and how it will devastate what little remains of the social safety net, science, enforcement of anti-pollution and other citizen safety laws. BTW, this wasn't his budget request. It was his proposal for lowering taxes. The rich still pay the highest percentage by far. It really applies to middle class individuals, Sub-S sorporations and large corporations as an incentive to base operations in the USA, expand and hire more Americans. A one time tax will apply for those corporations with their holdings overseas and then a 15 percent (as proposed) tax thereafter. This is very good for the economy of the USA. Really? What about the deficit? His Treasury guy (forget his name) claims the new tax rates will produce something like 5 Trillion in revenues over 5 years. It's a start. That's hilarious. Why's that? I can understand why it could. A robust, growing economy is the largest revenue generating source. Taxes aren't even close. |
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Amazing reaction to tax announcement
On 4/26/17 4:20 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 4:11 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/26/17 4:08 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 4/26/2017 3:55 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/26/17 3:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 4/26/2017 3:07 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/26/17 2:35 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: As is my hobby, I channel surf after a major political announcement or news, just to get a feel on how the cable networks react. So, after today's announcement of the proposed new tax rates, the panel on FoxNews were kicking around how it will help individuals, small businesses and large businesses. The focus of their discussion was how and why the new tax rate plan would benefit the economy overall and create more jobs. Switch to MSNBC: Here the larger panel of pundits were focusing (and speculating) on how the new tax rates will benefit Donald Trump. Period. That's all they were talking about. Like you, Fox has bought into the Trump bull****. MSNBC wants to know how many millions the Trumpsters will make off of this, what it will do to the deficits, and how it will devastate what little remains of the social safety net, science, enforcement of anti-pollution and other citizen safety laws. In other words, if Trump proposed it .... it must be bad ... even if you don't even know the details of his tax changes. As usual, Trump didn't present any real details, and until he provides details *and* his tax returns and an independent agency determines how much the Trumps will make off of this latest scheme, it should be dead in the water. Trump promised to revise the tax code. Whatever today's proposal is, it ain't that. Further, there is no evidence that draconian tax cuts will result in more good jobs. Yes, the tax code revision is on his "to-do" list but this wasn't it. This addressed lowering taxes only. The Dems are going to screw this all up because they think seeing Trump's tax returns is more important than giving the middle class and business, small and large, a tax break. Personally, I don't give a **** about Trump's tax returns. They are, by law, automatically audited by the IRS ... both his and the Vice President's. If something is illegal in them, I am sure a whistle blower will let the media know. Amazing, isn't it, that roles have reversed in Congress. The liberals are now the obstructionist party and the conservatives are the progressives (for the most part). I'm not sure "illegality" is the issue in Trump's tax returns, although if there is income in there from Russia, well, that might be a can of worms. Oh...the conservatives...are the regressives. Trump is entitled to take advantage of every legal deduction or tax loophole ... just like you and I are. His numbers are just a hell of a lot bigger, that's all. Still waiting for the shoe to drop with the "Russia, Russia, Russia" thing, huh? I wonder what is taking the FBI, the House Committee and the Senate Committee so long to conduct their "investigations". Don't you think that if a real, smoking gun had been discovered by now that proved some kind of collusion between Trump and Russia that someone ... Comey, one of the Democrat committee members or even one of the Republican committee members would be screaming at the top of their lungs? They love to be famous. Or are they going to just stay quiet and let an illegal president continue to run the country? Both the House and Senate committees are controlled by Republicans and it has been reported for more than a week now they are laggards because of party politics. |
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Amazing reaction to tax announcement
On 4/26/17 4:23 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 4:15 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/26/17 4:12 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 4/26/2017 4:04 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/26/17 4:01 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 4/26/2017 3:07 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/26/17 2:35 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: As is my hobby, I channel surf after a major political announcement or news, just to get a feel on how the cable networks react. So, after today's announcement of the proposed new tax rates, the panel on FoxNews were kicking around how it will help individuals, small businesses and large businesses. The focus of their discussion was how and why the new tax rate plan would benefit the economy overall and create more jobs. Switch to MSNBC: Here the larger panel of pundits were focusing (and speculating) on how the new tax rates will benefit Donald Trump. Period. That's all they were talking about. Like you, Fox has bought into the Trump bull****. MSNBC wants to know how many millions the Trumpsters will make off of this, what it will do to the deficits, and how it will devastate what little remains of the social safety net, science, enforcement of anti-pollution and other citizen safety laws. BTW, this wasn't his budget request. It was his proposal for lowering taxes. The rich still pay the highest percentage by far. It really applies to middle class individuals, Sub-S sorporations and large corporations as an incentive to base operations in the USA, expand and hire more Americans. A one time tax will apply for those corporations with their holdings overseas and then a 15 percent (as proposed) tax thereafter. This is very good for the economy of the USA. Really? What about the deficit? His Treasury guy (forget his name) claims the new tax rates will produce something like 5 Trillion in revenues over 5 years. It's a start. That's hilarious. Why's that? I can understand why it could. A robust, growing economy is the largest revenue generating source. Taxes aren't even close. Trump's tax cuts will simply put more money in the hands of the rich, weaken the country and further devastate the lower and middle income families. All that will trickle down is ****. |
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Amazing reaction to tax announcement
On 4/26/17 4:20 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/26/2017 4:11 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/26/17 4:08 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 4/26/2017 3:55 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/26/17 3:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 4/26/2017 3:07 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/26/17 2:35 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: As is my hobby, I channel surf after a major political announcement or news, just to get a feel on how the cable networks react. So, after today's announcement of the proposed new tax rates, the panel on FoxNews were kicking around how it will help individuals, small businesses and large businesses. The focus of their discussion was how and why the new tax rate plan would benefit the economy overall and create more jobs. Switch to MSNBC: Here the larger panel of pundits were focusing (and speculating) on how the new tax rates will benefit Donald Trump. Period. That's all they were talking about. Like you, Fox has bought into the Trump bull****. MSNBC wants to know how many millions the Trumpsters will make off of this, what it will do to the deficits, and how it will devastate what little remains of the social safety net, science, enforcement of anti-pollution and other citizen safety laws. In other words, if Trump proposed it .... it must be bad ... even if you don't even know the details of his tax changes. As usual, Trump didn't present any real details, and until he provides details *and* his tax returns and an independent agency determines how much the Trumps will make off of this latest scheme, it should be dead in the water. Trump promised to revise the tax code. Whatever today's proposal is, it ain't that. Further, there is no evidence that draconian tax cuts will result in more good jobs. Yes, the tax code revision is on his "to-do" list but this wasn't it. This addressed lowering taxes only. The Dems are going to screw this all up because they think seeing Trump's tax returns is more important than giving the middle class and business, small and large, a tax break. Personally, I don't give a **** about Trump's tax returns. They are, by law, automatically audited by the IRS ... both his and the Vice President's. If something is illegal in them, I am sure a whistle blower will let the media know. Amazing, isn't it, that roles have reversed in Congress. The liberals are now the obstructionist party and the conservatives are the progressives (for the most part). I'm not sure "illegality" is the issue in Trump's tax returns, although if there is income in there from Russia, well, that might be a can of worms. Oh...the conservatives...are the regressives. Trump is entitled to take advantage of every legal deduction or tax loophole ... just like you and I are. His numbers are just a hell of a lot bigger, that's all. No tickee, no laundry. From CNN: (CNN) Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin was riding high on Wednesday afternoon. He was in the midst of unveiling President Donald Trump's tax proposal, a plan that he had promised would be "the biggest tax cut and the largest tax reform in the history of our country." Then ABC's Jon Karl asked Mnuchin about whether Trump would reconsider his refusal to release his own tax returns. It got awkward. Fast. It goes quick. (Mnuchin didn't want to answer.) So, here's exactly what he said: "The president has no intention....The president has released plenty of information and has given more financial disclosure than anybody else. I think the American population has plenty of information on his taxes." This is simply not true. Trump is the first president not to release his tax returns in four decades. That is beyond dispute. Trump has said the reason he won't release his tax returns is because he is under audit. But there is no law or even rule that would prohibit someone under audit from releasing his or her returns. In fact, Richard Nixon did it in 1973. There has been some dissonance in that explanation, most notably from White House counselor Kellyanne Conway, who said this in January: "We litigated this all through the election. People didn't care. They voted for him, and let me make this very clear: Most Americans are very focused on what their tax returns will look like while President Trump is in office, not what his look like." Trump, too, has been pressed on whether Americans care to see his tax returns. "I won. I became president. I don't think they care at all," he said in a news conference. White House insiders have insisted that the audit was the real reason the returns weren't being released. But Mnuchin also seemed to suggest that there is no interest in Trump's taxes from the public and, therefore, they wouldn't be released. Polling tells a different story. A January CNN/Opinion Research Center poll showed that almost three-quarters of the public -- 74% -- thought Trump should release his tax returns. Two-thirds said that Trump "should disclose more ... about his financial connections and business interests." The point is this: Mnuchin tried to dismiss Trump's refusal to release his tax returns as an unimportant side issue in the broader conversation about the tax reform package. It's not. Trump's lack of transparency on taxes gives Democrats a ready-made -- and politically effective -- reason to oppose whatever legislation arises out of this draft. "If Donald Trump can't show us whether this tax plan will benefit his own bottom line, I can't be for it," is an easy way for any Democrat -- even those in swing districts -- to justify their opposition. For Republicans, Trump's unwillingness to release his returns puts them in a bit of a bind. They will want to talk exclusively about the plan's merits and why it makes sense of the American people. But they won't be able to do that without facing the question of why Trump isn't willing to level with the public about how his family business would be affected by the tax package. Plus, there are already a decent number of House and Senate Republicans on record as calling for Trump to release the returns. Far from a side issue, the Trump tax returns loom as a giant potential distraction for congressional Republicans as they begin to try to build momentum behind the bill. Mnuchin doesn't seem to get that. Yet. |
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Amazing reaction to tax announcement
On 4/26/2017 4:39 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/26/17 4:23 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 4/26/2017 4:15 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/26/17 4:12 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 4/26/2017 4:04 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/26/17 4:01 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 4/26/2017 3:07 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/26/17 2:35 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: As is my hobby, I channel surf after a major political announcement or news, just to get a feel on how the cable networks react. So, after today's announcement of the proposed new tax rates, the panel on FoxNews were kicking around how it will help individuals, small businesses and large businesses. The focus of their discussion was how and why the new tax rate plan would benefit the economy overall and create more jobs. Switch to MSNBC: Here the larger panel of pundits were focusing (and speculating) on how the new tax rates will benefit Donald Trump. Period. That's all they were talking about. Like you, Fox has bought into the Trump bull****. MSNBC wants to know how many millions the Trumpsters will make off of this, what it will do to the deficits, and how it will devastate what little remains of the social safety net, science, enforcement of anti-pollution and other citizen safety laws. BTW, this wasn't his budget request. It was his proposal for lowering taxes. The rich still pay the highest percentage by far. It really applies to middle class individuals, Sub-S sorporations and large corporations as an incentive to base operations in the USA, expand and hire more Americans. A one time tax will apply for those corporations with their holdings overseas and then a 15 percent (as proposed) tax thereafter. This is very good for the economy of the USA. Really? What about the deficit? His Treasury guy (forget his name) claims the new tax rates will produce something like 5 Trillion in revenues over 5 years. It's a start. That's hilarious. Why's that? I can understand why it could. A robust, growing economy is the largest revenue generating source. Taxes aren't even close. Trump's tax cuts will simply put more money in the hands of the rich, weaken the country and further devastate the lower and middle income families. All that will trickle down is ****. Maybe you could explain exactly how that is going to happen. This isn't "trickle down". It's targeted towards low and middle class incomes, small business (sub-s) and large businesses that have offshored their manufacturing. Those with high incomes (I don't know the number but it was rumored to be about $450k and up) pay the highest tax bracket. Forget the exact number but it was in the 30 something percent range. Plus, he is proposing a doubling of the tax credit for middle class incomes. First $24K is exempt, up from $12.5K. Don't see how you think this will "devastate the lower and middle income families". It's targeted right for them ... and businesses. |
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