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On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 12:42:54 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/27/17 10:47 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 09:52:43 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

I have a pump shotgun for home
defense, but the revolver is handy. At typical in the house distances,
the shotgun will pretty much kill or at least drop the perp with one
shot if I hit his body between the shoulders and the groin.

... Assuming the perp doesn't take it away from you.
I still never understood why they think an untrained person trying to
maneuver over 2 feet of gun around in the confines of a house is
better than a handgun. I do understand they are harder hitting, if you
actually hit anything. There certainly is not going to be much of a
pattern at typical home distances, even with an 18" cylinder bore.
It is all academic in Maryland anyway. If you shoot someone, you are
probably going to jail. It is an "obligation to retreat" state, even
inside your home. You are legally obligated to run away, it there is
any chance at all of you having a way out. In that regard a single
shot .22 may be as good as an M60 because you have to justify every
round from scratch. Oh and don't get too carried away defending
yourself with your bare hands. Each punch is the same way. The first
punch may be self defense but the second could be aggravated assault
... or murder. I know a guy who found that out the hard way.

We've had this conversation previously, and two or three times I've told
you I've talked to both the county prosecutor and the sheriff. This was
quite a few years ago. In this house, as in many houses, there is no
place to retreat to if you are in a bedroom. There have been a couple of
home invasion type incidents I recall in which the house's occupants
took out the invaders and there was no prosecution. While Maryland isn't
Florida, where you can shoot to kill at will and get away with it, we do
allow people to defend themselves in their homes.

I have a good friend who did 7 years in prison and he would disagree.
You still have the obligation or retreat and you are guilty until you
can prove yourself innocent. You will have to prove you had no
possible way to get away,

[Alex[_10_]]

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/25/17 10:11 PM, Alex wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/25/17 3:27 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/25/17 1:41 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 12:59:52 -0500,
wrote:

On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 12:43:18 -0500, Poco Deplorevole
wrote:

On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 12:38:59 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/25/17 12:35 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
Just got first estimate for a sprinkler system. Five zones,
front
and back for $2950. That was a
surprise. I would have guessed $8-10K. That's with three year
warranty. Surprise, surprise. Will see
what the next estimate looks like.



Oh, you should definitely go for it...yeah...

You know something about sprinkler systems?

Now go to You Tube. Startling.

https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...roblem+with+cz

You call "About 861,000 results" only 'a few'. Wow.

===

I know someone with a custom CZ very similar to the one Harree
claims
to have owned. It's very reliable and accurate.

I'm sure it is. I was simply making a point to Harree. 'Problem with
Kimber' in You Tube gets "About
8,590 results" compared to "About 861,000 results" for 'problem
with CZ'

That's quite startling!


Yeah, the 8500 Kimber hits have to do with problems with Kimber
firearms. Almost all the 851,000 results you cited for CZ have
nothing
to do with CZ firearms.


Hell, all guns can have a problem. My Ithaca Mdl 37 20ga jammed
first time
out pheasant hunting. Had a small piece of metal from the machining
stuck
in the action. Do not know where it was hiding, as I cleaned shotgun
after
buying. Then the worse POS I still have is a Remington semiauto
30.06. Is
known as the jam-o-matic.




I haven't had any serious issues with any of the firearms I've owned.
I did have a short-term issue with my Mini 14 going into a sort of
autofire mode, but I fixed that with a couple of turns of a trigger
adjustment screw I had installed.

I'm not a fan of the "1911" model or the .45 ACP ammo. The typical
.357 MAG round is more of a stopper when you need it, and you can fire
.38 Special rounds in a .357 MAG revolver.

Some people can afford to have both and enjoy some variety at the
range. BTW - .45 ACP ammo doesn't exist. It's .45 Auto.


Oh, then I suppose this seller and many other sellers of .45 ACP ammo
are providing non-existent ammo:

https://www.ammunitiondepot.com/310-45-acp

If I wanted a 1911 clone that fired .45 ACP, I'd get one. I don't like
the pistols or the rounds much. The.357 MAGs hit harder in
self-defense situations. If I were interested in the .45 ACP round,
though, I'd consider a dual load .45 revolver, like this Ruger Redhawk:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfcWPOecspQ


The sellers are wrong and not providing non-existent ammo. The ammo
pictured by this seller is labeled correctly - .45 Auto. A .45
Automatic Colt Pistol is a firearm - not a cartridge. I'm sure we can
both agree that Hornady is at the top when it comes to quality
ammunition. Try to find .45 ACP *anywhere* in their catalog:

http://www.hornady.com/store/45-Auto

In response to your rant - some people can afford to have several
firearms for a variety of purposes. I have a few .357 Magnums and enjoy
firing them, too. My Ruger SP101 is a great self-defense firearm and I
prefer it over the J-frames. There's a lot of personal preference when
it comes to guns and different calibers. I'm lucky enough that I no
longer have to sell a gun in order to buy a new gun.

[Alex[_10_]]

Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 10:47:04 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 09:52:43 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

I have a pump shotgun for home
defense, but the revolver is handy. At typical in the house distances,
the shotgun will pretty much kill or at least drop the perp with one
shot if I hit his body between the shoulders and the groin.
... Assuming the perp doesn't take it away from you.
I still never understood why they think an untrained person trying to
maneuver over 2 feet of gun around in the confines of a house is
better than a handgun. I do understand they are harder hitting, if you
actually hit anything. There certainly is not going to be much of a
pattern at typical home distances, even with an 18" cylinder bore.
It is all academic in Maryland anyway. If you shoot someone, you are
probably going to jail. It is an "obligation to retreat" state, even
inside your home. You are legally obligated to run away, it there is
any chance at all of you having a way out. In that regard a single
shot .22 may be as good as an M60 because you have to justify every
round from scratch. Oh and don't get too carried away defending
yourself with your bare hands. Each punch is the same way. The first
punch may be self defense but the second could be aggravated assault
... or murder. I know a guy who found that out the hard way.
Harry could run and hide in the creek back behind his house where the owls hang out. or hide under
the hay in his Maryland Red Barn.

Or hop on his imaginary yacht and set the GPS for Costa Rica.

[Alex[_10_]]

True North wrote:
Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

Wow!

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On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 19:46:53 -0500, Alex wrote:


In response to your rant - some people can afford to have several
firearms for a variety of purposes. I have a few .357 Magnums and enjoy
firing them, too. My Ruger SP101 is a great self-defense firearm and I
prefer it over the J-frames. There's a lot of personal preference when
it comes to guns and different calibers. I'm lucky enough that I no
longer have to sell a gun in order to buy a new gun.

I have an old trooper that I got right after the OM. Both are pretty
much twins except the OM has a bull barrel and the trooper has the
longer .357 cylinder. Both stay in the safe pretty much all the time.
My go to house gun is the Ruger KP90 and I have the Barretta in a
quick access compartment near the front door just in case something
does come up and I want it in my pocket. My 1897 and M1A are in a
quick open, locked compartment in the bedroom in case the philistines
are really coming over the hill.
For the most parts I still think of these as "safes" since they are
hard to get into and pretty hard to find.
That "building" stuff really comes in handy if you want to lose a few
cubic feet in a place that is hard to triangulate on. ;-)

[Bill[_12_]]

wrote:
On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 19:46:53 -0500, Alex wrote:


In response to your rant - some people can afford to have several
firearms for a variety of purposes. I have a few .357 Magnums and enjoy
firing them, too. My Ruger SP101 is a great self-defense firearm and I
prefer it over the J-frames. There's a lot of personal preference when
it comes to guns and different calibers. I'm lucky enough that I no
longer have to sell a gun in order to buy a new gun.

I have an old trooper that I got right after the OM. Both are pretty
much twins except the OM has a bull barrel and the trooper has the
longer .357 cylinder. Both stay in the safe pretty much all the time.
My go to house gun is the Ruger KP90 and I have the Barretta in a
quick access compartment near the front door just in case something
does come up and I want it in my pocket. My 1897 and M1A are in a
quick open, locked compartment in the bedroom in case the philistines
are really coming over the hill.
For the most parts I still think of these as "safes" since they are
hard to get into and pretty hard to find.
That "building" stuff really comes in handy if you want to lose a few
cubic feet in a place that is hard to triangulate on. ;-)


Trooper is a nice .357. I bought one used when a friend wanted my Ruger
..30 carbine pistol. The Ruger was an interesting firearm, but unless you
were reloading ammo, was nasty to shoot. Huge fireball, and I understand
it was the 3rd noisiest handgun made.

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On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 03:09:53 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 19:46:53 -0500, Alex wrote:


In response to your rant - some people can afford to have several
firearms for a variety of purposes. I have a few .357 Magnums and enjoy
firing them, too. My Ruger SP101 is a great self-defense firearm and I
prefer it over the J-frames. There's a lot of personal preference when
it comes to guns and different calibers. I'm lucky enough that I no
longer have to sell a gun in order to buy a new gun.

I have an old trooper that I got right after the OM. Both are pretty
much twins except the OM has a bull barrel and the trooper has the
longer .357 cylinder. Both stay in the safe pretty much all the time.
My go to house gun is the Ruger KP90 and I have the Barretta in a
quick access compartment near the front door just in case something
does come up and I want it in my pocket. My 1897 and M1A are in a
quick open, locked compartment in the bedroom in case the philistines
are really coming over the hill.
For the most parts I still think of these as "safes" since they are
hard to get into and pretty hard to find.
That "building" stuff really comes in handy if you want to lose a few
cubic feet in a place that is hard to triangulate on. ;-)


Trooper is a nice .357. I bought one used when a friend wanted my Ruger
.30 carbine pistol. The Ruger was an interesting firearm, but unless you
were reloading ammo, was nasty to shoot. Huge fireball, and I understand
it was the 3rd noisiest handgun made.

That is a common problem with pistols and carbines, going either way.
The stuff I was loading for my Ruger carbine was nasty in a 29 Smith
but it performed a whole lot better than the regular commercial 44 mag
ammo, designed for a pistol. If you are really working up the load for
a particular barrel length, you have to match the speed of the powder
to the burn time before it gets to the muzzle.
They complain about the SoCom M1A for the same problem. Regular
7.62x51 ammo is still burning on high when the bullet comes out and
the blast is supposed to be brutal.
My biggest problem with the 44 was, out of my carbine, it beat the
crap out of my bullet trap in the basement. My chronograph was a home
built, made from 2821 cards so I needed 120v and it is hard to find a
place to shoot with power. I had to put a sheet or two of plywood in
front of the trap to scrub off a little speed. Fortunately I knew
construction guys then too and they gave me lots of small pieces of
scrap. I am not sure where my log book is but I had lots of loads I
played with in there.

[Keyser Soze]

On 2/27/17 7:46 PM, Alex wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/25/17 10:11 PM, Alex wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/25/17 3:27 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/25/17 1:41 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 12:59:52 -0500,
wrote:

On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 12:43:18 -0500, Poco Deplorevole
wrote:

On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 12:38:59 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/25/17 12:35 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
Just got first estimate for a sprinkler system. Five zones,
front
and back for $2950. That was a
surprise. I would have guessed $8-10K. That's with three year
warranty. Surprise, surprise. Will see
what the next estimate looks like.



Oh, you should definitely go for it...yeah...

You know something about sprinkler systems?

Now go to You Tube. Startling.

https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...roblem+with+cz

You call "About 861,000 results" only 'a few'. Wow.

===

I know someone with a custom CZ very similar to the one Harree
claims
to have owned. It's very reliable and accurate.

I'm sure it is. I was simply making a point to Harree. 'Problem with
Kimber' in You Tube gets "About
8,590 results" compared to "About 861,000 results" for 'problem
with CZ'

That's quite startling!


Yeah, the 8500 Kimber hits have to do with problems with Kimber
firearms. Almost all the 851,000 results you cited for CZ have
nothing
to do with CZ firearms.


Hell, all guns can have a problem. My Ithaca Mdl 37 20ga jammed
first time
out pheasant hunting. Had a small piece of metal from the machining
stuck
in the action. Do not know where it was hiding, as I cleaned shotgun
after
buying. Then the worse POS I still have is a Remington semiauto
30.06. Is
known as the jam-o-matic.




I haven't had any serious issues with any of the firearms I've owned.
I did have a short-term issue with my Mini 14 going into a sort of
autofire mode, but I fixed that with a couple of turns of a trigger
adjustment screw I had installed.

I'm not a fan of the "1911" model or the .45 ACP ammo. The typical
.357 MAG round is more of a stopper when you need it, and you can fire
.38 Special rounds in a .357 MAG revolver.

Some people can afford to have both and enjoy some variety at the
range. BTW - .45 ACP ammo doesn't exist. It's .45 Auto.


Oh, then I suppose this seller and many other sellers of .45 ACP ammo
are providing non-existent ammo:

https://www.ammunitiondepot.com/310-45-acp

If I wanted a 1911 clone that fired .45 ACP, I'd get one. I don't like
the pistols or the rounds much. The.357 MAGs hit harder in
self-defense situations. If I were interested in the .45 ACP round,
though, I'd consider a dual load .45 revolver, like this Ruger Redhawk:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfcWPOecspQ


The sellers are wrong and not providing non-existent ammo. The ammo
pictured by this seller is labeled correctly - .45 Auto. A .45
Automatic Colt Pistol is a firearm - not a cartridge. I'm sure we can
both agree that Hornady is at the top when it comes to quality
ammunition. Try to find .45 ACP *anywhere* in their catalog:

http://www.hornady.com/store/45-Auto

In response to your rant - some people can afford to have several
firearms for a variety of purposes. I have a few .357 Magnums and enjoy
firing them, too. My Ruger SP101 is a great self-defense firearm and I
prefer it over the J-frames. There's a lot of personal preference when
it comes to guns and different calibers. I'm lucky enough that I no
longer have to sell a gun in order to buy a new gun.


"The sellers are wrong..." because Alex the building supplies sales
manager knows more than the big-time sellers of ammo. I get it.

I don't have to sell a gun to buy a new gun, either. I'm not a gun
collector. The only firearms I have and keep are the ones I shoot
regularly...until I get bored with them.

Have nice day.

[Its Me]

On Monday, February 27, 2017 at 10:11:50 PM UTC-5, Bill wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 19:46:53 -0500, Alex wrote:


In response to your rant - some people can afford to have several
firearms for a variety of purposes. I have a few .357 Magnums and enjoy
firing them, too. My Ruger SP101 is a great self-defense firearm and I
prefer it over the J-frames. There's a lot of personal preference when
it comes to guns and different calibers. I'm lucky enough that I no
longer have to sell a gun in order to buy a new gun.

I have an old trooper that I got right after the OM. Both are pretty
much twins except the OM has a bull barrel and the trooper has the
longer .357 cylinder. Both stay in the safe pretty much all the time.
My go to house gun is the Ruger KP90 and I have the Barretta in a
quick access compartment near the front door just in case something
does come up and I want it in my pocket. My 1897 and M1A are in a
quick open, locked compartment in the bedroom in case the philistines
are really coming over the hill.
For the most parts I still think of these as "safes" since they are
hard to get into and pretty hard to find.
That "building" stuff really comes in handy if you want to lose a few
cubic feet in a place that is hard to triangulate on. ;-)


Trooper is a nice .357. I bought one used when a friend wanted my Ruger
.30 carbine pistol. The Ruger was an interesting firearm, but unless you
were reloading ammo, was nasty to shoot. Huge fireball, and I understand
it was the 3rd noisiest handgun made.

I have a Blackhawk in .30 carbine. I think it's fun to shoot! Puts a grin on my face every time.

[Bill[_12_]]

Its Me wrote:
On Monday, February 27, 2017 at 10:11:50 PM UTC-5, Bill wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 19:46:53 -0500, Alex wrote:


In response to your rant - some people can afford to have several
firearms for a variety of purposes. I have a few .357 Magnums and enjoy
firing them, too. My Ruger SP101 is a great self-defense firearm and I
prefer it over the J-frames. There's a lot of personal preference when
it comes to guns and different calibers. I'm lucky enough that I no
longer have to sell a gun in order to buy a new gun.

I have an old trooper that I got right after the OM. Both are pretty
much twins except the OM has a bull barrel and the trooper has the
longer .357 cylinder. Both stay in the safe pretty much all the time.
My go to house gun is the Ruger KP90 and I have the Barretta in a
quick access compartment near the front door just in case something
does come up and I want it in my pocket. My 1897 and M1A are in a
quick open, locked compartment in the bedroom in case the philistines
are really coming over the hill.
For the most parts I still think of these as "safes" since they are
hard to get into and pretty hard to find.
That "building" stuff really comes in handy if you want to lose a few
cubic feet in a place that is hard to triangulate on. ;-)


Trooper is a nice .357. I bought one used when a friend wanted my Ruger
.30 carbine pistol. The Ruger was an interesting firearm, but unless you
were reloading ammo, was nasty to shoot. Huge fireball, and I understand
it was the 3rd noisiest handgun made.

I have a Blackhawk in .30 carbine. I think it's fun to shoot! Puts a
grin on my face every time.


It was. But I did not reload in those days, and the fireball and noise was
too much, and a friend gave me a good offer.