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#171
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The Suzuki DF2.5 HP
On May 29, 5:27*am, wrote:
Okay. You are a troll. I'm not going to waste any more effort on your mindless nonsense. Ooooh, classic response. *Someone actually challenges you to back up your varied and wild pontifications and answer logical questions and when those questions begin to befuddle you and your stationary brain, replete with your preset notions about everything, you immediately start to call people names like dimwit, call what they ask "mindless nonsense" and tell others what they do are "baloney" and finally, when all else fails, you utilize the most infantile accusation of all --- "you're a troll." *lol If the hat fits... Not on my head, try yours. You presented no actual challenge to anything I said. You asked absurd questions that could not be answered with a yes or no because they were so off course. Most of what you said was simply your monaural and egotistical viewpoint on outboards and was so weak it was unworthy of a challenge. And, no question is absurd. The absurd ones are the people who cannot answer a question and so they attack the question to hide their own insecurities and personal failure to be able to intelligently respond. Classic misdirection technique... Your comment about waiting for the final word from "Wilbur Hubbard" sealed the deal. I have no idea who Wilbur Hubbard is but have noticed that some of the NG are always on his case so I simply threw that in as a bit of sardonic wit. T-R-O-L-L Ooooh, so now Mr. Salty is resorting to capital letters, screaming out his accusation in the hopes that someone, somewhere might believe his infantile, immature response to rational thought. And, by the way, I now quote you as saying "I'm not going to waste any more effort on your mindless nonsense." Yet you responded again after saying you were all done. Do we now add "LIAR" to the resume of the egotistical, puffed-up pompous Mr. Salty? -Jay (now realizing there is always one like Salty on every newsgroup but grateful there are so many others with traits called class, common decency, intelligence, experience, etc. to answer questions of a newbie). |
#172
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Suzuki DF4 vs. DF6 (or maybe another choice, the Tohatsu MFS4BS).
On Apr 17, 1:20 pm, Martin Baxter wrote:
wrote: On Thu, 17 Apr 08, Martin Baxter wrote: FWIW, I have a canoe Which motor do you use to power the canoe? I've been thinkin' "trolling motor" so I can keep most of the weight low and amidships instead of all hanging over the side near the stern. A 30lb thrust Minn Kota is on sale near me for $67 but since Jay's experiment, I'm thinkin' more like 50lbs so I can use it on a skiff as well. The smallest gasoline outboard I have at the moment is 6hp at 58lbs which is fine for the skiff but too much weight for the canoe. The little 2 HP 'rude works just fine, pushes the canoe with two people aboard faster than you could paddle it. Cheers marty When are you guys going to quite this circle jerk, and quite wanking on each other...who cares, really? |
#173
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The Suzuki DF2.5 HP
On May 29, 6:40*pm, wrote:
plonk Ooooh, the announced "plonk," ranking right up there in the same immature, childish category of calling someone a troll. People with class, Salty at Dog, just filter someone quietly if they continue to fear what they write while others, of the more playground variety, yaknow the nyah nyah nyah grade school type like yourself, feel the self-gratifying need to "announce" their intentions (like anyone really cares). But I suppose that's pretty tough for someone so full of himself as you appear to be, but thanks for the plonk, it means I don't have to read your bullcrap theories anymore and makes room for the really knowledgable posters in this newsgroup to offer advice to me that is worthwhile. -Jay (still appreciative of the rec.boats.cruising posters with knowledge, experience and class) |
#174
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Suzuki DF4 vs. DF6 (or maybe another choice, the Tohatsu MFS4BS).
On May 29, 7:56*pm, "
wrote: When are you guys going to quite this circle jerk, Didn't realize it was a "circle jerk." I just didn't like some pompous pusgut calling me a dimwit so figured he was due a response or two. BTW, why do you seem to be interested in "circle jerks" anyway? LOL and quite wanking on each other...who cares, really? Well, you seemed to care or you wouldn't have responded but you can sleep easy tonight 'cause Mr. Salty has decided to finally bow out of the thread (unless he lies again) and I promise not to post anymore things that upset your delicate sensitivities. -Jay |
#175
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Suzuki DF4 vs. DF6 (or maybe another choice, the Tohatsu MFS4BS).
On Thu, 29 May 2008 19:56:20 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote: The smallest gasoline outboard I have at the moment is 6hp at 58lbs which is fine for the skiff but too much weight for the canoe. Being so narrow, a canoe is scary with a three if you turn up the wick. With a square stern there is no weight problem with a five, but it would be a killer. You would put a positive stop on the throttle if you were smart. We have a one for the canoe. Casady |
#176
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The Suzuki 2.5 hp makes the final cut...but what about TWO of them, in tandem?
"Bob" wrote in message ... On Apr 26, 5:46 am, "Roger Long" wrote: "cavelamb himself" wrote You might "Ping" Roger as to why doubling the Horse Power doesn't necessarily mean double the speed. As has been pointed out here, I have no *formal* training in naval architecture and am therefore unqualified to comment. Roger Long Ive met several “…I aint had no college cause I learned everything from experience…” professionals over the years. However there is a significant difference between OJT and a formal post secondary program. Heck, even the USCG REC/OCMI recognizes the benefits of an organized program of study. In fact the USCG gives Sea Service credit for attending a 4 year maritime academy or completing select AB to Mate, Mate to Master programs and union training. Why? Because an organized program is superior to a half assed pieced together string of jobs hoping the worker will learn something along the way. In the learn-along-the-way approach there is absolutely NO set of standards or competencies to judge your ability compared to industry standards. The only way to know if a learn-as-you-go person knows xyz is if they attempt xyz and fail. Then with egg on their face they call it experience and move on adding that FAILURE to their list of learning credentials. Personally I don’t want my project to be some drop-out GED bozo’s “real world training” learning experience. Would you really want a surgeon who never went to an accredited USA medical school fix your heart? Another example are the “dynamic” management seminar leaders. They stand for 6 hours and say all sorts of interesting things and wow the crowd. But on closer conversation they are simply a one trick pony who knows a very narrow segment of the over all body of management literature/research. In other words they really don’t know **** but they sure talk smack. They lack both BREADTH and DEPTH of the subject but can fake it pretty good in a single limited topic. The real problem surfaces when a one trick pony is faced with a task outside their limited experience (some people might call it a comfort zone). Their failure rate soars because they lack a broad foundation of understanding to use as a guide. The learn as you go was the archaic boat building approach. As a result designers of old were EXTREMELY reluctant to do anything different or even modify a current design. So you had a design that worked and everybody used it. Of course, innovation was considered heresy; a departure from tradition. Innovation is a very scary thing to the ignorant cause they don’t understand it. Ignorance creates tradition AND fear. So you find some who are continually self promoting. Its an effort to compensate. Sorta like the little guys in the really B I G trucks. My advice is go back to school and get a degree. Im sure you would be amazed at how valuable all that experience you have becomes when combined with an organized program of study. Well I can hear a chicken clucking. Must mean fresh eggs. I think Ill scramble a few and head over to the lagoon for a day in the water. Life is good at N19-43 Blue Water Bob You are a learned and wise man. Second only to Wilbur Hubbard. |
#177
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The Suzuki DF2.5 HP
Jay,
At the risk of getting caught up in the back and forth between you and Salty (and by the way I haven't even read that whole sub thread. It just looked like it was going nowhere) let me take a shot at explaining wherein the miscommunication lies. Using your automobile example. If you drive a car that has an overheat light on the dash and it intermittently turns itself on when actually the engine's water temp is at its normal level, that wouldn't mean your engine is defective. It would mean your indicator light is defective. Because it's designed to turn itself on only when the water temp is too hot. That situation would be analogous to a telltale that intermittently works when there's nothing wrong with the water pump. You could never know for sure whether to believe it or not. That's not to say there's anything wrong with your motor. It's saying the design of the indicator is questionable. HowEVER, if I understand correctly, from up thread somewhere, even when you're not getting a steady stream of water from the tell-tale, you're at least supposed to see a water spray as long as the water pump is functioning. So as long as you can see the spray easily, you've still got a reliable indicator. Maybe Salty didn't see the "spray" explanation or maybe he's going under the assumption that the spray isn't visible enough. -shug- I dunno. Frankly, I would have to see the spray with my own two eyes to voice an opinion on that. Anyhow, that's my 2 cents on the subject. Rick On Wed, 28 May 08, Jay wrote: Okay, in an automobile, what device performs the do or die piece of information to indicate that the car's water pump is working or not? A temp gauge or red light? IOW, to say that the water pump is running dry is also to say the motor is overheating, isn't it? Doesn't one immediately lead to the other? Therefore, it would seem like all the processes are really interconnected. So you're saying the water coming out of the pee holes is not water being released by the thermostat in the Suzuki DF2.5? Yes or no? Just my attempt at "simple logic" as stated by the previous author. *Am I way off here in this stab at deductive reasoning? Yes. You couldn't be further off if you knew everything about engines and were deliberately making up a fairy tale. But didn't you think it was an interesting fairy tale? Finally, if this Suzuki outboard of mine runs for several years with water only INTERMITTENTLY coming out of the "pee" holes and it never overheats, will you still cling to the notion that it's a defective piece of equipment? IOW, will you argue and continue to denigrate a successful and non-defective outboard motor design? Finally, is the goat that is sacrificed at the altar of the pee hole required to be a virgin nanny? lol -Jay (still sorting all of this out) |
#178
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The Suzuki DF2.5 HP
On May 30, 4:52*pm, wrote:
Jay, At the risk of getting caught up in the back and forth between you and Salty (and by the way I haven't even read that whole sub thread. It just looked like it was going nowhere) let me take a shot at explaining wherein the miscommunication lies. Actually, Rick, there was never any "miscommunication" per se. I accepted the fact that the entire scenario regarding the operation of my new outboard and the apparent discrepancies in the manual were disconcerting. None of that had anything to do with being the target of an egotistical ******* like Salty whose primary responses to ideas I was just tossing into the fire was to call me names such as dimwit. However, I noticed that seems to be a modus operandi with him as I've noticed his derogatory remarks toward others in previous threads. Contributions from you and others have been helpful in trying to resolve this matter. You and others have kept an open mind in trying to assess this situation while Salty seems to be unable to budge from his one-track approach to life roughly translated to "I have my opinion, do NOT confuse me with the facts!" Having him leave the thread was a breath of fresh air but I see he's back so I guess I can add liar to his resume. Using your automobile example. If you drive a car that has an overheat light on the dash and it intermittently turns itself on when actually the engine's water temp is at its normal level, that wouldn't mean your engine is defective. It would mean your indicator light is defective. Because it's designed to turn itself on only when the water temp is too hot. That situation would be analogous to a telltale that intermittently works when there's nothing wrong with the water pump. You could never know for sure whether to believe it or not. That's not to say there's anything wrong with your motor. It's saying the design of the indicator is questionable. I totally agree with that part. There needs to be some sort of indicator that's readily observable and indicative of motor overheating and/or water pump failure; however, my examples comparing with automobiles were not a statement of fact. I was just wondering out loud and fully expected disagreement on some points but disagreement with class, not resorting to pompous name-calling like the infantile Salty seems to favor. However, if I understand correctly, from up thread somewhere, even when you're not getting a steady stream of water from the tell-tale, you're at least supposed to see a water spray as long as the water pump is functioning. So as long as you can see the spray easily, you've still got a reliable indicator. Unfortunately, that's not even something Suzuki mechanics, the manual and Customer Service can seem to agree on or how much is to be seen. Maybe Salty didn't see the "spray" explanation or maybe he's going under the assumption that the spray isn't visible enough. -shug- I dunno. In Salty's iron-clad mind, encased in cement, if that sucker isn't "peeing up a storm" at all times, the motor is a piece of dangerous, defective crap. LOL Frankly, I would have to see the spray with my own two eyes to voice an opinion on that. Anyhow, that's my 2 cents on the subject. Rick Actually, Rick, that worth more than 2 cents, mainly because you seem to be keeping an open mind and exploring every possible angle for the inconsistencies of that motor's operation. Thanks, Jay |
#179
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The Suzuki 2.5 hp makes the final cut...but what about TWO ofthem, in tandem?
Roger L wrote:
.... I could go on for hours about the amazing screw ups, lack of judgement, and ignorance of basic principles of the field I've seen demonstrated by naval architects with even advanced degrees. I certainly would have gotten a degree if I'd planned this career though. All you need say is "Mariner." DSK |
#180
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The Suzuki DF2.5 HP
On May 31, 4:37*am, wrote: Turns out I am right. Jay, is
actually Craig Billings, of North Carolina, and has started similar "play dumb" threads like this elsewhere. Turns out you were just as wrong in your grossly amateur sleuth work as you were with your bogus outboard advice. Craig is a neighbor who rides dirt bikes and I let him use my computer when his went on the blink. He ran into some pompous know-it-all egomaniac on some motorcycle group (guess there's one on every group, huh Salty?) and apparently was giving them some crap there. And my birth certificate still says Jay Smith and you are now 0 for 2, only one more to your strikeout. BTW, are you also in the custom of lying? I distinctly remember you said you were plonking me and were bowing out of the thread but you just keep coming back. LOL Strange. --Jay (Still living on the West coast a few houses down from Craig Billings, never even been to North Carolina, and wondering where Salty dreamed up the North Carolina scenario...ooops maybe that's 0 for 3 now?) |
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