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Resin Injection into soft wood
What Glenn said.
There are good ways to do a repair and there are half-assed ways. For structural repairs to boats where people will be in water too deep to walk home when it sinks, methods like infusion with solvented epoxy are irresponsible. |
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BS
-- When replying via email, replace spam with speak in the address. "Jim Conlin" wrote in message ... What Glenn said. There are good ways to do a repair and there are half-assed ways. For structural repairs to boats where people will be in water too deep to walk home when it sinks, methods like infusion with solvented epoxy are irresponsible. |
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On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 00:53:58 -0400, "Ed Edelenbos"
wrote: BS Pretty much looks like you are a minority of one 'round here, my friend. Why don't you try an experiment on rotten wood and restore it to its original strength.....or any sigificant strength.That'll be a stronger argument than name calling. After that you could raise a few of my dead relatives. I've got some old scores to settle. |
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"P.C. Ford" wrote in message
... On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 00:53:58 -0400, "Ed Edelenbos" wrote: BS Pretty much looks like you are a minority of one 'round here, my friend. Why don't you try an experiment on rotten wood and restore it to its original strength.....or any sigificant strength.That'll be a stronger argument than name calling. Being in the minority doesn't make one wong. Especially with the statistically small sampling of boat repairers here. Get out in the real world, friend. There is life beyond the computer screen. And, I have yet to call anyone a name brother. After that you could raise a few of my dead relatives. I've got some old scores to settle. I guess next you'll tell me they all died on boats repaired with epoxy saturated wood. Ed |
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On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 06:45:30 -0400, "Ed Edelenbos"
wrote: Why don't you try an experiment on rotten wood and restore it to its original strength.....or any sigificant strength. Being in the minority doesn't make one wong. Especially with the statistically small sampling of boat repairers here. Ed Repeating your position does not make you right. Without much of a stake in the debate either way, I am most swayed when I read that epoxy has 1/3 the tensile strength of wood. I remember that 1 in 12 splices are specified when epoxy glueing laths - and that is evidently to increase the glue surface area - to push up that tensile strength value. Brian Whatcott |
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"Glenn Ashmore" ) writes: Please pardon a short rant: I have been participating in this news group for 7 years and in that time have seen people espousing everything from antifreeze to aspirin to cure rot and curtain liner to wheat flour to save a few pennies on GRP lay-ups. It irritates me no end to hear people insisting on short cuts and off the wall ways to save a few bucks and screw up a job. Could you please elaborate on the use of asprin for boat repair, assuming it is being applied to the boat and not the boatbuilder? That's a new one on me. By curtain liner do you mean the polyester fabric? I've tried the ployester drapery moulding, the stuff they use to stiffen the top where they put in the hooks. It's okay for some places but not as flexible to apply as fibreglass tape. There is a mix of the drapery tape and fibreglass cloth imbedded in the polyester resin on my 12 foot, 25 pound plywood Delta boat. Neither fibre has given any trouble so far. I've never actually built a carboard boat but if you could somehow get hold of waterproof cardboard I bet it would make a great boatbuilding material for lightweight canoes and kayaks. By way of a reminder, we are not all building 50 foot offshore cruisers costing more than the average family residence to pass on to our granchildren as artifacts of consicuous consumption. Or making our living off people who do. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ William R Watt National Capital FreeNet Ottawa's free community network homepage: www.ncf.ca/~ag384/top.htm warning: non-FreeNet email must have "notspam" in subject or it's returned |
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"Ed Edelenbos" ) writes: "Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message news:GGB2f.306$Kp4.137@lakeread08... . We have succeeded in chasing off all the pros End rant: With pointless little self serving rants I assume. Moulded fibreglass has made of boatbuilding a very competiive low-margin business. Boatyards are not even located on high priced waterfront property anymore, but in municipal industrial parks. The pros who posted here may very well have gone out of business or got tired of people questioning the obvious self-interest of some in posting here. Others have their own websites with forums where they control the content. Contrary to GA's rant not all of the people who make a living off boatbuilding have desterted the newsgroup. There is not the voume of mass produced wooden boats to support a whole wooden boatbuilding industry any more. It's very low volume. The economics of moulded boats supports mass production, not custom work. In fact the economics of mass production has also eliminated a lot of custom building in such areas as automobiles and houses. You can still save money building your own house or boat, or spend a lot of money on having one custom built if you can afford it. But it's not like it used to be or like nostalgic sentimentalists like to believe it still is. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ William R Watt National Capital FreeNet Ottawa's free community network homepage: www.ncf.ca/~ag384/top.htm warning: non-FreeNet email must have "notspam" in subject or it's returned |
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"Glenn Ashmore" writes:
Please pardon a short rant: I have been participating in this news group for 7 years and in that time have seen people espousing everything from antifreeze to aspirin to cure rot and curtain liner to wheat flour to save a few pennies on GRP lay-ups. It irritates me no end to hear people insisting on short cuts and off the wall ways to save a few bucks and screw up a job. Well, not every boat has to be built better than a Swan or Hinckley, but in general I agree. In a discussion with a local hobby boatbuilder recently, I suggested using foam core instead of plywood w/ fiberglass skins, since it would be much much lighter and not prone to rot; and only slightly more expensive. I think the "slightly more expensive" is in the eye of the beholder, but he acted as though my suggestion were both a personal insult and a blasphemy against his religion. The trick is to show that while aspirin/wheat flour/shower curtain boats can float, and be fun, they're not really strong enough for many applications; and let people make their own decisions. William R. Watt wrote: Could you please elaborate on the use of asprin for boat repair, assuming it is being applied to the boat and not the boatbuilder? That's a new one on me. By curtain liner do you mean the polyester fabric? I've tried the ployester drapery moulding, the stuff they use to stiffen the top where they put in the hooks. For what, peel ply? ... It's okay for some places but not as flexible to apply as fibreglass tape. There is a mix of the drapery tape and fibreglass cloth imbedded in the polyester resin on my 12 foot, 25 pound plywood Delta boat. Neither fibre has given any trouble so far. What about just using Wal-Mart bed sheets for laminating? I've never actually built a carboard boat but if you could somehow get hold of waterproof cardboard I bet it would make a great boatbuilding material for lightweight canoes and kayaks. Where ya been? There was a thread on a cardboard boat building contest here just a little while ago. Pictures, too. By way of a reminder, we are not all building 50 foot offshore cruisers costing more than the average family residence to pass on to our granchildren as artifacts of consicuous consumption. Or making our living off people who do. Even with a smiley, that's a little over the top. Glenn is a nice guy, undeniably a top craftsman, and he's gone out of his way to help people around here. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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Even with a smiley, that's a little over the top. Glenn is a nice guy, undeniably a top craftsman, and he's gone out of his way to help people around here. Even nice guys can have expensive tastes. If GA were a cash-strapped fisherman, recreational or commercial, he would sing a different tune. It's not rec.boats.building.luxury -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ William R Watt National Capital FreeNet Ottawa's free community network homepage: www.ncf.ca/~ag384/top.htm warning: non-FreeNet email must have "notspam" in subject or it's returned |
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Besides, he can always radio the Coast Guard to come bail him out on our
nickel. Does England still have the scheme where their "coasties" are by subscription only? Roger http://home.earthlink.net/~derbyrm "William R. Watt" wrote in message ... Even with a smiley, that's a little over the top. Glenn is a nice guy, undeniably a top craftsman, and he's gone out of his way to help people around here. Even nice guys can have expensive tastes. If GA were a cash-strapped fisherman, recreational or commercial, he would sing a different tune. It's not rec.boats.building.luxury |
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