Home |
Search |
Today's Posts |
#241
|
|||
|
|||
No Flame War here
|
#243
|
|||
|
|||
Best 34 foot blue water cruiser
Frank Maier wrote:
I gave my standard diatribe about rigs in response to your response... So, jump over there for several paragraphs of my opinions. (Worth every penny you paid for 'em!) Yes Frank, I saw it! Thanks for the worthwhile post! On another thread buried deep in Usenet, Frank Maier wrote: My only response is that I think the OP is really getting his money's worth out of this one. Yes indeed... the thread got off to a rocky start it picked up steam along the way and many people offered lots of great advice! Thanks to all that participated. Bob Whitaker "Free Spirit" (Frank Maier) wrote in message . com... (Bob Whitaker) wrote: ...snip... You mentioned that this thread has spawned a couple if interesting sub-threads, and I have another sub-thread for you. What do you think of cutter vs sloop vs ketch rigs? Years ago my Coast Guard Auxiliary instructor was "big" on ketch (or yawl) rigs due to the smaller sails and because a reefed sail on the mizzen mast could act as a weather vane, pointing the bow to the wind and helping prevent the boat from lying abeam to the waves. Is this one of those tactics you now consider "passe"? We're starting to get too many subthreads for me to follow. I gave my standard diatribe about rigs in response to your response to DSK, where you ask that as a P.S. So, jump over there for several paragraphs of my opinions. (Worth every penny you paid for 'em!) I believe that up through the 60s ~ early 70s, survival methods tended to favor passive styles, e.g. lying a-hull. My interpretation of what I've read about tactics since then (including Coles et al.) and my personal experience favors active methods, e.g running off. But as I said, everything has worked, and also failed to work, for different people in different circumstances; so I think you'd be hard pressed to definitively defend any given style of dealing with bad conditions. Someone can always point to an exception and say, "But what about ..." Me, I'd say that any opinion opposite mine is a case of abusus non tollit usum; but I'll bet that those who oppose my positions would say that *I'm* arguing abusus... To be blunt, my short answer is, "Yes." Even for full keel, heavy displacement, low aspect ratio, multi-stick etc. boats, my personal belief is that passive methods are not as good as active methods. In shorthand, that'd be "lying a-hull is passe." Like all generalizations, it's too broadly stated; but again, we're not writing full-length novels to each other here and we hafta use some shortcuts. Frank |
#244
|
|||
|
|||
Best 34 foot blue water cruiser
|
#246
|
|||
|
|||
Best 34 foot blue water cruiser
rhys wrote:
How about a Bruce Roberts design? Hello rhys, I've seen them advertised, but never sailed one. I always thought they would be sturdy, but they wouldn't win too many speed awards... but that's just my completely unfounded bias. Does anybody else have any actual sailing experience with a Bruce Roberts design? Maybe this question deserves a new thread. Bob Whitaker "Free Spirit" rhys wrote in message . .. On 11 Mar 2004 22:53:17 -0800, (Bob Whitaker) wrote: Hello, Been thinking of moving up to the 30-34 foot range, ideally a sailboat that would provide safety in open waters, extended cruising situations. Would love to get a Pacific Seacraft Crealock 34, but "The Admiral" won't let me, and the bank won't either... I would prefer a project boat (I would actually enjoy it). Heard great things of Cal 34's. What other boats do folks recommend. Goal is extended coastal cruising, crossing Gulf of Mexico (Corpus Christi, TX to FL), keys, Bahamas, maybe extended Caribbean cruising. Bit late in the day, but it just occured to me because I've been window-shopping: How about a Bruce Roberts design? Many of them are well-made "kit" boats that arrive assembled but bare, and the "project boat" guys get in too deep and never finish them. Frequently, you can get 35 or 37 footers for a song and do the interior yourself. But you have to be pretty willing to do the work or learn to do the work. R. |
#247
|
|||
|
|||
Best 34 foot blue water cruiser
rhys wrote:
How about a Bruce Roberts design? Hello rhys, I've seen them advertised, but never sailed one. I always thought they would be sturdy, but they wouldn't win too many speed awards... but that's just my completely unfounded bias. Does anybody else have any actual sailing experience with a Bruce Roberts design? Maybe this question deserves a new thread. Bob Whitaker "Free Spirit" rhys wrote in message . .. On 11 Mar 2004 22:53:17 -0800, (Bob Whitaker) wrote: Hello, Been thinking of moving up to the 30-34 foot range, ideally a sailboat that would provide safety in open waters, extended cruising situations. Would love to get a Pacific Seacraft Crealock 34, but "The Admiral" won't let me, and the bank won't either... I would prefer a project boat (I would actually enjoy it). Heard great things of Cal 34's. What other boats do folks recommend. Goal is extended coastal cruising, crossing Gulf of Mexico (Corpus Christi, TX to FL), keys, Bahamas, maybe extended Caribbean cruising. Bit late in the day, but it just occured to me because I've been window-shopping: How about a Bruce Roberts design? Many of them are well-made "kit" boats that arrive assembled but bare, and the "project boat" guys get in too deep and never finish them. Frequently, you can get 35 or 37 footers for a song and do the interior yourself. But you have to be pretty willing to do the work or learn to do the work. R. |
Reply |
Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Forum | |||
Water systems on my boat - need suggestions, please. | Boat Building | |||
Harry's lobster boat? | General | |||
Where to find ramp stories? | General | |||
Fresh Water Tank | Cruising | |||
Hot Water Dispenser | Cruising |