[Bill[_12_]]

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/25/17 3:27 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/25/17 1:41 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 12:59:52 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 12:43:18 -0500, Poco Deplorevole
wrote:

On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 12:38:59 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 2/25/17 12:35 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
Just got first estimate for a sprinkler system. Five zones, front
and back for $2950. That was a
surprise. I would have guessed $8-10K. That's with three year
warranty. Surprise, surprise. Will see
what the next estimate looks like.



Oh, you should definitely go for it...yeah...

You know something about sprinkler systems?

Now go to You Tube. Startling.

https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...roblem+with+cz

You call "About 861,000 results" only 'a few'. Wow.

===

I know someone with a custom CZ very similar to the one Harree claims
to have owned. It's very reliable and accurate.

I'm sure it is. I was simply making a point to Harree. 'Problem with
Kimber' in You Tube gets "About
8,590 results" compared to "About 861,000 results" for 'problem with CZ'

That's quite startling!


Yeah, the 8500 Kimber hits have to do with problems with Kimber
firearms. Almost all the 851,000 results you cited for CZ have nothing
to do with CZ firearms.


Hell, all guns can have a problem. My Ithaca Mdl 37 20ga jammed first time
out pheasant hunting. Had a small piece of metal from the machining stuck
in the action. Do not know where it was hiding, as I cleaned shotgun after
buying. Then the worse POS I still have is a Remington semiauto 30.06. Is
known as the jam-o-matic.




I haven't had any serious issues with any of the firearms I've owned. I
did have a short-term issue with my Mini 14 going into a sort of
autofire mode, but I fixed that with a couple of turns of a trigger
adjustment screw I had installed.

I'm not a fan of the "1911" model or the .45 ACP ammo. The typical .357
MAG round is more of a stopper when you need it, and you can fire .38
Special rounds in a .357 MAG revolver.


..45 is better in most situations. The 357 goes through the perp, couple
walls and kills or injure someone a long ways away. .45 has lots of knock
down power and will not travel a long ways. Best on a 357 for defense is
hollow base wad cutters loaded base out. Super hollow point. Friend was a
cop and shot at a robber and the shot upwards so would not hit any cars on
highway 101. About a mile later went through the sheet metal wall and hit
a women in the neck. She was injured but not killed. He has flash backs
every time he goes by the building.

[[email protected]]

On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 00:45:19 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Best on a 357 for defense is
hollow base wad cutters loaded base out. Super hollow point.

That may have been true 50 years ago but high performance bullets have
come a long way.

[Keyser Soze]

On 2/25/17 7:45 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/25/17 3:27 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/25/17 1:41 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 12:59:52 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 12:43:18 -0500, Poco Deplorevole
wrote:

On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 12:38:59 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 2/25/17 12:35 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
Just got first estimate for a sprinkler system. Five zones, front
and back for $2950. That was a
surprise. I would have guessed $8-10K. That's with three year
warranty. Surprise, surprise. Will see
what the next estimate looks like.



Oh, you should definitely go for it...yeah...

You know something about sprinkler systems?

Now go to You Tube. Startling.

https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...roblem+with+cz

You call "About 861,000 results" only 'a few'. Wow.

===

I know someone with a custom CZ very similar to the one Harree claims
to have owned. It's very reliable and accurate.

I'm sure it is. I was simply making a point to Harree. 'Problem with
Kimber' in You Tube gets "About
8,590 results" compared to "About 861,000 results" for 'problem with CZ'

That's quite startling!


Yeah, the 8500 Kimber hits have to do with problems with Kimber
firearms. Almost all the 851,000 results you cited for CZ have nothing
to do with CZ firearms.


Hell, all guns can have a problem. My Ithaca Mdl 37 20ga jammed first time
out pheasant hunting. Had a small piece of metal from the machining stuck
in the action. Do not know where it was hiding, as I cleaned shotgun after
buying. Then the worse POS I still have is a Remington semiauto 30.06. Is
known as the jam-o-matic.




I haven't had any serious issues with any of the firearms I've owned. I
did have a short-term issue with my Mini 14 going into a sort of
autofire mode, but I fixed that with a couple of turns of a trigger
adjustment screw I had installed.

I'm not a fan of the "1911" model or the .45 ACP ammo. The typical .357
MAG round is more of a stopper when you need it, and you can fire .38
Special rounds in a .357 MAG revolver.


.45 is better in most situations. The 357 goes through the perp, couple
walls and kills or injure someone a long ways away. .45 has lots of knock
down power and will not travel a long ways. Best on a 357 for defense is
hollow base wad cutters loaded base out. Super hollow point. Friend was a
cop and shot at a robber and the shot upwards so would not hit any cars on
highway 101. About a mile later went through the sheet metal wall and hit
a women in the neck. She was injured but not killed. He has flash backs
every time he goes by the building.



I use Hornady Critical Defense ammo in my .357 MAG revolver, six in the
cylinder and six in this speed loader:

http://tinyurl.com/z5qjpxq

Here's a vid on the ammo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTWFbuzX-l8

I've shot a few of these rounds for practice, but when I shoot targets,
I use far less expensive ammo. The Hornady is about twice as much as my
ball practice ammo.

More info:

http://www.hornady.com/store/critical_defense/

[Alex[_10_]]

Poco Deplorevole wrote:
Just got first estimate for a sprinkler system. Five zones, front and back for $2950. That was a
surprise. I would have guessed $8-10K. That's with three year warranty. Surprise, surprise. Will see
what the next estimate looks like.

The parts are dirt cheap. The labor is the majority of the cost.

[Alex[_10_]]

Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 12:59:52 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 12:43:18 -0500, Poco Deplorevole
wrote:

On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 12:38:59 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 2/25/17 12:35 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
Just got first estimate for a sprinkler system. Five zones, front and back for $2950. That was a
surprise. I would have guessed $8-10K. That's with three year warranty. Surprise, surprise. Will see
what the next estimate looks like.


Oh, you should definitely go for it...yeah...
You know something about sprinkler systems?

Now go to You Tube. Startling.

https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...roblem+with+cz

You call "About 861,000 results" only 'a few'. Wow.
===

I know someone with a custom CZ very similar to the one Harree claims
to have owned. It's very reliable and accurate.
I'm sure it is. I was simply making a point to Harree. 'Problem with Kimber' in You Tube gets "About
8,590 results" compared to "About 861,000 results" for 'problem with CZ'

That's quite startling!


It is. I would suspect there are far more Kimbers in the US than CZ's.

[Alex[_10_]]

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/25/17 3:27 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/25/17 1:41 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 12:59:52 -0500,
wrote:

On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 12:43:18 -0500, Poco Deplorevole
wrote:

On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 12:38:59 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/25/17 12:35 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
Just got first estimate for a sprinkler system. Five zones, front
and back for $2950. That was a
surprise. I would have guessed $8-10K. That's with three year
warranty. Surprise, surprise. Will see
what the next estimate looks like.



Oh, you should definitely go for it...yeah...

You know something about sprinkler systems?

Now go to You Tube. Startling.

https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...roblem+with+cz

You call "About 861,000 results" only 'a few'. Wow.

===

I know someone with a custom CZ very similar to the one Harree claims
to have owned. It's very reliable and accurate.

I'm sure it is. I was simply making a point to Harree. 'Problem with
Kimber' in You Tube gets "About
8,590 results" compared to "About 861,000 results" for 'problem
with CZ'

That's quite startling!


Yeah, the 8500 Kimber hits have to do with problems with Kimber
firearms. Almost all the 851,000 results you cited for CZ have nothing
to do with CZ firearms.


Hell, all guns can have a problem. My Ithaca Mdl 37 20ga jammed
first time
out pheasant hunting. Had a small piece of metal from the machining
stuck
in the action. Do not know where it was hiding, as I cleaned shotgun
after
buying. Then the worse POS I still have is a Remington semiauto
30.06. Is
known as the jam-o-matic.




I haven't had any serious issues with any of the firearms I've owned.
I did have a short-term issue with my Mini 14 going into a sort of
autofire mode, but I fixed that with a couple of turns of a trigger
adjustment screw I had installed.

I'm not a fan of the "1911" model or the .45 ACP ammo. The typical
.357 MAG round is more of a stopper when you need it, and you can fire
.38 Special rounds in a .357 MAG revolver.

Some people can afford to have both and enjoy some variety at the
range. BTW - .45 ACP ammo doesn't exist. It's .45 Auto.

[Alex[_10_]]

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/25/17 5:12 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 16:28:55 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 14:30:21 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:


Yeah, the 8500 Kimber hits have to do with problems with Kimber
firearms. Almost all the 851,000 results you cited for CZ have nothing
to do with CZ firearms.

What is an example of the problems. My neighbor is a Kimber guy, he
has several and I never hear a bad word about them.

So far, Krause is the only one I've heard bad words from. Of course
that's 'cause he doesn't own one
and I do.

Have you ever heard him say something nice about another's
possession? Hell, he wouldn't even
compliment his BFF's brand new Bayliner!


I like the new Ruger Mark IV, but I wouldn't pick the heavy model
without a threaded barrel. The breakdown mechanism sure is an
improvement.

That's a random response to this thread. Did you consider starting a
new one or not posting at all?

[Bill[_12_]]

wrote:
On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 00:45:19 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Best on a 357 for defense is
hollow base wad cutters loaded base out. Super hollow point.

That may have been true 50 years ago but high performance bullets have
come a long way.


Maybe Grazer, but most of the bullets penetration is too good.

[[email protected]]

On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 03:21:54 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 00:45:19 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Best on a 357 for defense is
hollow base wad cutters loaded base out. Super hollow point.

That may have been true 50 years ago but high performance bullets have
come a long way.


Maybe Grazer, but most of the bullets penetration is too good.

Just about any center fire pistol shooting hard ball ammo will shoot
through both sides of an aluminum siding house if it doesn't hit a 2x4
or something else solid.

[Keyser Soze]

On 2/25/17 10:11 PM, Alex wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/25/17 3:27 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/25/17 1:41 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 12:59:52 -0500,
wrote:

On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 12:43:18 -0500, Poco Deplorevole
wrote:

On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 12:38:59 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/25/17 12:35 PM, Poco Deplorevole wrote:
Just got first estimate for a sprinkler system. Five zones, front
and back for $2950. That was a
surprise. I would have guessed $8-10K. That's with three year
warranty. Surprise, surprise. Will see
what the next estimate looks like.



Oh, you should definitely go for it...yeah...

You know something about sprinkler systems?

Now go to You Tube. Startling.

https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...roblem+with+cz

You call "About 861,000 results" only 'a few'. Wow.

===

I know someone with a custom CZ very similar to the one Harree claims
to have owned. It's very reliable and accurate.

I'm sure it is. I was simply making a point to Harree. 'Problem with
Kimber' in You Tube gets "About
8,590 results" compared to "About 861,000 results" for 'problem
with CZ'

That's quite startling!


Yeah, the 8500 Kimber hits have to do with problems with Kimber
firearms. Almost all the 851,000 results you cited for CZ have nothing
to do with CZ firearms.


Hell, all guns can have a problem. My Ithaca Mdl 37 20ga jammed
first time
out pheasant hunting. Had a small piece of metal from the machining
stuck
in the action. Do not know where it was hiding, as I cleaned shotgun
after
buying. Then the worse POS I still have is a Remington semiauto
30.06. Is
known as the jam-o-matic.




I haven't had any serious issues with any of the firearms I've owned.
I did have a short-term issue with my Mini 14 going into a sort of
autofire mode, but I fixed that with a couple of turns of a trigger
adjustment screw I had installed.

I'm not a fan of the "1911" model or the .45 ACP ammo. The typical
.357 MAG round is more of a stopper when you need it, and you can fire
.38 Special rounds in a .357 MAG revolver.

Some people can afford to have both and enjoy some variety at the
range. BTW - .45 ACP ammo doesn't exist. It's .45 Auto.


Oh, then I suppose this seller and many other sellers of .45 ACP ammo
are providing non-existent ammo:

https://www.ammunitiondepot.com/310-45-acp

If I wanted a 1911 clone that fired .45 ACP, I'd get one. I don't like
the pistols or the rounds much. The.357 MAGs hit harder in self-defense
situations. If I were interested in the .45 ACP round, though, I'd
consider a dual load .45 revolver, like this Ruger Redhawk:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfcWPOecspQ